What a thread! Not just a dead horse, but an entire herd of them corralled together!
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On the edge of professional Disc Golf
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No one prerubes anymore. sobsobsob.
Maybe smyith should be disciplined. He should know better.
Darth Anovin
Eagle Member
So topics that are dead to some people should be dead to all people? Got it.
No one prerubes anymore. sobsobsob.
Maybe smyith should be disciplined. He should know better.
Implying that this issue is a dead horse seems to indicate that the problem of disc golf promotion has been solved; that it's not worth discussing because someone's figured it all out and progress is being made.
I'd agree that progress is being made....but not because a magical mandate has been implemented and because of it all the stars are aligning. That said, I think the various ideas thrown around here are not only informative but beneficial to the game. Much more so than a couple A-tier pay-to-play courses subsidized by Microsoft in major cities would be, anyway.
Agree, disagree, or flame-spray as you like....
Sorry to offend......
It's just that the topics of substance use and culture, attracting big sponsors, spectators, pay-to-play vs. free, drunken disc golfers, TV coverage, disc golf vs. ball golf, disc golf vs. skateboarding, behavior of pros, etc., have been argued to death. Or, very clearly, not to death, but an awful lot.
But to find them all in a single thread is simply marvelous.
I didn't mean to imply that they shouldn't be discussed any more.
It's just that the topics of substance use and culture, attracting big sponsors, spectators, pay-to-play vs. free, drunken disc golfers, TV coverage, disc golf vs. ball golf, disc golf vs. skateboarding, behavior of pros, etc., have been argued to death. Or, very clearly, not to death, but an awful lot.
But to find them all in a single thread is simply marvelous.
I didn't mean to imply that they shouldn't be discussed any more.
Sure. It's the all-star game of threads. Each topic gets a token appearance.
BirdieMachine
Michael Moore Fan Club President
I think putting is the boring part. Ball golf is cool to watch live but TV isn't the best. I think Disc golf would be better to watch.
You really should pay attention: I'd already CONTRIBUTED to the topic before this post. I was just agreeing [albeit in a troll-like way] that it has been widely covered.
I retract my "nicely voiced" statement to you earlier. :|
No problem, bro. My response wasn't meant as condemnation of your opinion that the topic has already been discussed, it was mostly intended to highlight the fact that the vast amount of new blood that have recently become enamored with the wonders of disc golf (e.g. people like me) haven't seen the discussions on the topic and some may have an idea that hasn't been tossed around or a skill-set that could be beneficial to the resolution of the OP. Maybe, maybe not, but I just hate to think that newbies who would otherwise feel compelled to chime in would be discouraged because this particular issue is a "dead horse" to the old salts on the forum.
In short, no disrespect intended.
Duly noted, but it doesn't make my comments any less "nicely voiced." I know they were. Your "validation," while appreciated, is irrelevant.
Yeah, hard to take it seriously when no copy editor saw it.
Cgkdisc
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Jussi speculated on what the sport might have been like if Steady Ed had promoted pay-to-play right away. He did. But it failed in several places where it was tried like the Twin Cities with not enough player base yet. I remember one of the MFA old timers telling me that Minneapolis got a course or two from Ed with the idea it could be financed with fees to play. I'm not sure how long the courses were there but I believe they didn't last for more than a few years.
Most if not all of the courses in Maine have been pay-to-play from the beginning in the 80s. Mainers, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not sure even an A-tier has been run there yet? So much for the idea that a pay model by itself will help boost the pro game, at least with several U.S. examples so far. But pay to play may be needed to develop and manage the type of properties and courses more suitable for top level play moving forward, presuming the owners are interested in promoting the top pro level.
Morley Field was one of the first entrepreneurial pay courses with Snapper Pierson building it into what is likely the top grossing P2P course in the U.S. But I think he favors running mostly amateur events and really doesn't need to do so because he has enough traffic without them. San Diegans might know but I'm not sure he does much to directly support the pros in the area. seems like only a few if any pro A-tiers or higher have ever been held there.
Most if not all of the courses in Maine have been pay-to-play from the beginning in the 80s. Mainers, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not sure even an A-tier has been run there yet? So much for the idea that a pay model by itself will help boost the pro game, at least with several U.S. examples so far. But pay to play may be needed to develop and manage the type of properties and courses more suitable for top level play moving forward, presuming the owners are interested in promoting the top pro level.
Morley Field was one of the first entrepreneurial pay courses with Snapper Pierson building it into what is likely the top grossing P2P course in the U.S. But I think he favors running mostly amateur events and really doesn't need to do so because he has enough traffic without them. San Diegans might know but I'm not sure he does much to directly support the pros in the area. seems like only a few if any pro A-tiers or higher have ever been held there.
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Darth Anovin
Eagle Member
Yeah, because I'm sure Jussi Meresmaa has noooo idea what he's talking about...
banknwank
Eagle Member
What Nate said
There is pay to play courses, on private land. Free Is the best part of disc golf. There wouldn't be a fraction of the existing pros with out the availability of free courses for people to discover a passion for the game.
There is pay to play courses, on private land. Free Is the best part of disc golf. There wouldn't be a fraction of the existing pros with out the availability of free courses for people to discover a passion for the game.
Sean_WV
Par Member
I would say that this is not only the path that the sport should take, but it's the most likely path in general. Sort of the direction I was headed in my post, just because you partake in certain activities doesn't make you a hippie (whatever that subjective term means anyway) Look at the states that are legalizing at many levels (town, city, state, etc.) and see their numbers for projected economic growth in that sector, most are quite astonishing. While perhaps that the seeds of this change were planted in the counterculture of the 1960's, the result we have now is large, and becoming more and more mainstream. To frou frou that whole population in the interest of keeping up your false and baseless morality is not only fruitless, but in my eyes, possibly detrimental to the sport.
Imagine you walk into the local shop on your course to find it contains not only the latest and greatest in Disc Golf equipment, but also a fine selection of the highest quality herbal product. 99% of you are nearly drooling, case closed. Not to mention the much higher level of profits the shop would make, allowing for more resources to be spent in course upkeep, advertising, and growth.
I could do with out the Natty Light sponsorships though...
P.s. Also, if you think that Nike has any morals at all, I suggest you do some research on Sweatshops and Child Labour. I guess here on DGCR we are OK with slavery, but damned be those wretched stoners!
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What does that even mean? And why?
madmax88
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Sorry, I would say less than half of disc golfers are "pot heads".
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There are many pay to play public courses and some cost just as much or even more than the private courses.
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