Krinkncrank
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By 'wide rail', do you mean like David Feldberg?
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By 'wide rail', do you mean like David Feldberg?
This position is somewhere out front, but also left of your body in respect to a teeBird
There is a combination of closed shoulder and wide rail, that I am starting to see pretty insane results from.
I threw a round with TalbotTrojan tonight, so he got my non-stop ramblings about it - and we probably threw 100 drives in the round. Yesterday I threw with my buddy Ryan, and even he was left scratching his head. "I can see the disc going way more, I just don't get it."
He then called me that night to try to get it more.
The best way to describe this idea is to start with the following statement (which is a paraphrase of Blake) - The vast majority of players are slipping.
It's not a matter of hand strength, it's where we put the arc in relation to us. I slip out at 3:00 with a straight pull unless I throw a teeBird or thinner. Pretty frustrating to do all this stuff right and then have the disc missing the last 2" of insane power.
Add all the force you want, but if you slip out, you lose. Impeccable timing, hips, extension, etc... But you have to hold late.
So what I stumbled into in the field was the wide rail actually remaps the position of the arc so that the pulling around the nose happens slower earlier in the arc - and because of that, you always end up with the grip still locked tight at 3:00. The almost stopping motion of the disc as it drastically comes into the pec has a reason: kill the hand speed so you don't screw up getting to the hit, and load the wrist.
The effect of this is that you feel way less effort into the shot, and the last bit of pull rockets the disc out more in front of you.
The physical "why" it's easier to hold later, is we've put the hit more out front of the shoulder. Take a disc and hold the 3:00 position of the rim where a typical straight pull hit is happening. This position is somewhere out front, but also left of your body in respect to a teeBird.
Now look at the way you're trying to hold the rim. At the 3:00 position the fingers are being pulled open by the angle of the arm/wrist/rim.
Now just move your entire arm 1 foot to the right. Suddenly, the grip isn't being pried open at 3:00. Remapping the arc more to this position increases your ability to hold later in the hit.
The complete picture is still hazy to me, because I have to come in so closed to the plant that it feels risky in a round and less accurate.
I think there is something exciting there though, and I am going to keep working on it.
The physical "why" it's easier to hold later, is we've put the hit more out front of the shoulder. Take a disc and hold the 3:00 position of the rim where a typical straight pull hit is happening. This position is somewhere out front, but also left of your body in respect to a teeBird.
Now look at the way you're trying to hold the rim. At the 3:00 position the fingers are being pulled open by the angle of the arm/wrist/rim.
Now just move your entire arm 1 foot to the right. Suddenly, the grip isn't being pried open at 3:00. Remapping the arc more to this position increases your ability to hold later in the hit.
The farther you more the disc "right" as I say, the stronger the grip becomes.
After you move past where Avery and Mike are, you're past the power zone, and can't get power through the hit. It's like trying to karate chop a board in half by hitting a board vs. hitting through the board.
I used to have a softball hitting video about "points of contact" that really hits on this ... I guess it was deleted. Information was just way too good.
Your balance looks better in the rail pics, more tilted forward over the disc and toes, which I think the wide rail helps promote along with being able to get a better power pocket(getting the body out of the way) to accelerate later.