I have not actually seen that link, so thank you. I have seen quite a bit of your stuff as well as other intro to the sport posts here and there. I will go through all that stuff as I have time. I'm sure it gets kind of frustrating trying to help all of us, when you have already posted a lot of the info in the past, haha. So thank you for being so patient with not only myself, but all the rest of us.
I have never heard of Barry and never seen him throw. That's why I said his swing looks so odd. I have never seen anyone throw so weird before. And I never doubted that he was a great player. Just stating that I've never seen his throw or style
But I'll watch some of his throws when I get time. I know I said I "mostly" watch Simon, Eagle and Paul. And I do. But I have seen lots of other pros throw. Just don't always remember their names or their throwing styles, and plus I'm not trying to emulate a lot of them. Some of the pros have pretty ugly looking styles that looked forced and awkward during some or all of the their throw. That is why I said I mostly like watching Simon and Eagle as their throwing style is something I want to "try" and emulate. Soooo smooth, yet so much distance. A lot like Freddy Couples or Ernie Els, who were my major influences on my golf swing. I know I won't ever throw exactly like them, and I'm sure I'll never throw as far as they do. That's not my goal. But as in all sports, we all gravitate towards a few people we just "jive" with better, and so far, they are those people.
I definitely have noticed a lot of interesting styles of throwing while watching some of the pros play. But…. I don't want to try and emulate someone that has a throwing style I don't like, and that looks awkward, forced or just bizarre.
Like, in golf, I would NEVER in a million years show a new golfer Jim Furyks swing and say, he buddy, go out there and try to hit like Jim! His swing is insanely horrible, right up until he hits the ball. But that is all that matters. He knows how to get his club to the ball well using his odd style. I know Jim's whole swing story, and know that ONLY Jim can hit like Jim, and that trying to emulate him will be a bad road to go down for a new player. Jim can get the club where it needs to be right before he hits the ball, and it all works out. But it's not a swing you would ever want to try and emulate. Just like I don't like this Barry guys throwing style. Or James Conrad, and I've seen some others where the follow through is just heinous and so out of balance. But they all get the disc to the center of their chest, with the elbow leading, and the wrist on the outside of the disc and can really let it fly! But that is why I noticed Simon and Eagle right away. They are thin like me, they have long arms like me, and just have a great throwing motion that looks effortless, that attracts me to their style. And obviously they crush! So they are my people so far I would like to try and emulate, all while learning from ALL types of throwing styles. I'm definitely going to try and work on this constant wide arm angle type throw that Barry uses and see how it goes, and what it can teach me, to then help me incorporate some ideas and feelings into my own throwing style
And trust me, I think about that often! How people who started playing this sport 5-10 years ago had almost NOTHING to help out or go off of. That must have been BRUTAL!!! They had to learn on their own, in a field for years and years before they were even half way decent. And the only people that probably got half way decent were the ones that were lucky enough to play rounds with some local pros that were nice enough to help out or give them some tips. So I feel the pain of people such as yourself and other players who have been in those shoes. And that is why I am so thankful for this forum and for people such as yourself and HUB and so many others that share their experiences and knowledge that has taken them 5-10 years of hard work and dedication, usually on their own!
And that is also why I realized a few weeks ago, that this type of learning throw written word and videos is so hard to utilize and has serious limitations. It's great in it's own way, but has serious limitations. It's amazing all the videos you and others have made in order to try and pass on your knowledge. But as you know, 5 mins in person with someone could accomplish more than 5 weeks of constant videotaping and back and forth conversations. There's no substitute for in person learning from another human. So I'm really really hoping this local pro that is going to help me today and hopefully more in the future can finally help me break through some of these sticking points I'm having. And once he does, I'll be well on my way to implementing a LOT of the ideas and drills your purport for all of us. I'll finally understand them, and hopefully be able to explain to others how it feels in my own words, etc. And I do think that if more experts or pros were on here helping out, that a lot more people would be getting better and finally understanding things they are stuck on. As more ways of describing something is always better.
I've read some things from your point of view that make no sense, and then read it a different way from HUB and it totally makes sense, and vice versa. And neither of you are wrong. You are both right. Because you are just trying your best to describe a complicated full body movement that takes split second to accomplish in the best way you know how. And it will make sense with some, and not others. And I once again, I can't thank people like yourself, HUB, et al. enough for all the work and videos and help you provide to the rest of us! It's really quite astounding how much time you take out of your life to help the rest of us out of the goodness of your heart and your desire to see others get better. Very much appreciated!