Minnesota Courses

[deadbody]

Thats fine you keep playing easy courses like BRP and Bryant. I will play Kaposia with no tee lines and get better at the game. If you have not seen what has been done at the Valley than it doesn't really matter. Kaposia is going to be a Gold 18 in a few years you all will see.

I've played the Valley since the pay to play went into effect. I still don't care for the course, but I see they put the money into it (if only they could afford some ****ing tee signs), so I won't complain.

Kaposia has had no money put into it. all the stuff that has been done was done by volunteers. I refuse to play a course that is clearly just trying to profit off the players by charging a premium price for a subpar product. I let it go the first year, expecting that they needed to build the money to make the changes, but now that there has been a couple years it is too late.

Also the Valley changes are immaterial to the Kaposia changes, while the same annual pass will work at both courses, they do not pool the money raised. Each course gets the money spent from that course, and the city that sells the annual pass keeps all that money. Kaposia could have been being upgraded at the same time as the Valley. South St. Paul is just unwilling to put in the money.

 

[deadbody]

Minnesota is a big state to just start throwing names out there. I live in Winona so I've played the three courses down here quite a lot and also Lions Park in Shakopee.

Lions Park is a bit shorter of a course, but it's quite a lot of fun. Fairly open.

Some of us have played wnough of the courses in the state to be able to toss out those names. Shakopee doesn't hold a candle to BRP or Bryant or even Acorn.

 

[JoshEpoo]

You all are forgetting about the hidden Gem known as Crown College.... #2 in the TC area behind Bryant. Forget Kaposia, although it has a nice layout it is run down and suffering big time from soil compaction.

Silly Westsiders. Bryant is like #7 on the list of Twin Cities courses. Boooorring. But it's got good signs!

Kaposia, Valley, Oakwood is a great loop to hit up on a road trip. Three 3.5-4.5 star courses located about 15 min apart, and all playable in one day. Tricky to navigate though, so print a map if you make the trip.

 

[E_Rock25]

I've played the Valley since the pay to play went into effect. I still don't care for the course, but I see they put the money into it (if only they could afford some ****ing tee signs), so I won't complain.

Kaposia has had no money put into it. all the stuff that has been done was done by volunteers. I refuse to play a course that is clearly just trying to profit off the players by charging a premium price for a subpar product. I let it go the first year, expecting that they needed to build the money to make the changes, but now that there has been a couple years it is too late.

Also the Valley changes are immaterial to the Kaposia changes, while the same annual pass will work at both courses, they do not pool the money raised. Each course gets the money spent from that course, and the city that sells the annual pass keeps all that money. Kaposia could have been being upgraded at the same time as the Valley. South St. Paul is just unwilling to put in the money.

The Valley has sweet tee signs now. The MNADGC is at Kaposia this year and the updates are starting as we type. A few new teepads have been instaled and there will be signage by the 1st of May.

 

[EJBusch]

Some of us have played wnough of the courses in the state to be able to toss out those names. Shakopee doesn't hold a candle to BRP or Bryant or even Acorn.

By that I just mean in this region I haven't hardly played any of the courses around you guys.

I just started at the end of last season so I haven't played many courses yet. I'll get around to it.:thmbup:

 

[deadbody]

Crap I totally forgot about Oakwood. That is above Bryant. BRP is #1, Oakwood #2

 

[E_Rock25]

deadbody have you ever worked on a course installation or upgrades? It is hard work and dealing with city bureaucracy is a pain in the a$$. I understand some of your points and they are good ones but these things take time. Some citys are easier to work with than others.

The Someset course that I work on is great because the city is behind us 100% but we still have to raise the money to do the things we want. DG is not that expensive compared to other sports but it still costs money.

 

[E_Rock25]

BRP is so overrated it makes me sick. Don't get me wrong, I really like playing out there but there are much harder courses in MN. The Valley has the hardest rating in the metro right now.

 

[juju]

Oakwood is the biggest piece of crap course I have ever seen.

Oh and the gold layout at Kaposia is retarded. Once they do some work out there, I will play again. Until then, the Eastside remains a dump, the dingleberry of the Twin Cities.

 

[mudslinger]

Best course other than BRP???

WABURN!

why?


cauz i can throw 4 chain magnets ALL DAY

 

[smarkquart]

I want to throw out Riverside in Saint Cloud. Easy course by comparison to some of the courses listed in this thread, but I love the classic feel of the course and great mixture of long shots versus mature trees shaping lines. It does get very crowded at times, but if you can hit it at the right time, it is a lot of fun to play.

Millstream is another honorable mention. Again, not a top notch course, but it has a little of everything, especially if you forget about the open holes 1-3.

As for Kaposia, I think the history behind the course adds something to it, but straight up I am not thrilled by it by any means when I play it. I like The Valley more. As for BRP, if you can limit yourself to 10 rounds a year or less, I think you can appreciate your rounds a lot more. There are some easy lines out there, but the trick is to consistently hit those lines because I do not see too many courses that can outright punish you as hard if you are having a bad day. That could also be culminative effect, 27 holes of crap play compounded versus 18 holes at other courses.

I want to vote down Elm Creek, despite it being my home course. It is nothing but wide open shots where the main challenge is finding the mixture of accuracy and distance. There is a little line shaping on a few holes, but more often than not it is about line shaping for distance. It is a great course for working on maximum power technique and long approaches.

Bryant is great from a fun factor. It can really challenge Intermediate players as they struggle for par, but if you have the course dialed in, at that point you need to find your fun from being with people or being outdoors.

 

[deadbody]

deadbody have you ever worked on a course installation or upgrades? It is hard work and dealing with city bureaucracy is a pain in the a$$. I understand some of your points and they are good ones but these things take time. Some citys are easier to work with than others.

The Someset course that I work on is great because the city is behind us 100% but we still have to raise the money to do the things we want. DG is not that expensive compared to other sports but it still costs money.

I work in Gov't. I'm well aware of how slow things can be.

I also understand that if you are going slow with upgrades, then you can't rush out the charges. 1 year of getting money for no upgrades is deal withabel. multiple years where the city is cashing profits without spending anything back to the course that is in desperate need (as was the justification for the charge) is idiotic and should not be supported.

 

[deadbody]

BRP is so overrated it makes me sick. Don't get me wrong, I really like playing out there but there are much harder courses in MN. The Valley has the hardest rating in the metro right now.

The Valley is harder than BRP, but not as nicely maintained. That is part of why Bryant gets such love it that it is super well maintained, it isn't the hardest course in the city, but it is one that all players can enjoy somewhat.

 

[Snicks]

The St. Cloud area is definitely worth a weekend or two if you want to play a ton of 3.5 to 4.5 rated courses for free. Placing the center point of the map browser tool on this website in downtown St. Cloud puts 18 courses within 25 miles. Notables in that area are: Hidden Lakes, Riverside, Calvary, Millstream, Mississippi River Park, Becker City Park, and Osprey. Course styles range from heavily wooded and technical to open with some water hazards. Hidden Lakes is my personal favorite of the group as it offers the most challenging and diverse shot selection. It has a 700ft. downhill hole about mid-way through too.

 

[E_Rock25]

I work in Gov't. I'm well aware of how slow things can be.

I also understand that if you are going slow with upgrades, then you can't rush out the charges. 1 year of getting money for no upgrades is deal withabel. multiple years where the city is cashing profits without spending anything back to the course that is in desperate need (as was the justification for the charge) is idiotic and should not be supported.

So just because the city is hard to work with means we should just give up on a great course?

The Valley is harder than BRP, but not as nicely maintained. That is part of why Bryant gets such love it that it is super well maintained, it isn't the hardest course in the city, but it is one that all players can enjoy somewhat.

I understand that. Three Rivers has tons of money and so does BRP but looks are not everything. I totaly get where you are coming from but I play disc golf for the challange not just the scenery. We will see what happens at Kaposia. If you have not been to the Valley for a while you should go out there again. The signage is nice and they have been contiuing to impove the course since last year.

I really wish people would not give up so easy on courses that don't have pristine grounds and landscaping. Those things do make courses better but they by no means make a course great IMO. I would much rather be pushed to my limits by great design than be wowed by landscaping but I guess thats just me.

 

[T.Hizzle]

So just because the city is hard to work with means we should just give up on a great course?



I understand that. Three Rivers has tons of money and so does BRP but looks are not everything. I totaly get where you are coming from but I play disc golf for the challange not just the scenery. We will see what happens at Kaposia. If you have not been to the Valley for a while you should go out there again. The signage is nice and they have been contiuing to impove the course since last year.

I really wish people would not give up so easy on courses that don't have pristine grounds and landscaping. Those things do make courses better but they by no means make a course great IMO. I would much rather be pushed to my limits by great design than be wowed by landscaping but I guess thats just me.

E Roc you say you play for the challenge, but in your Somerset expansion thread you mention a 500 ft. downhill shot. You talk about it being a "massive downhill bomb." 500ft downhill is not challenging, why not challenge your self and your design and make it 800ft? But, if you think 500ft. downhill is a difficult, then I question your opinion of which courses are great and not.

 

[deadbody]

If the city is dragging it's feet to make promised repairs while taking our money?? Yes we should speak with our wallets and stop giving them money. If you went to mcDonalds and paid for a big mac would you be okay with them giving you a half-eaten cheeseburger with the promise of a big mac sometime in the future?

There is no difference just because Kaposia is Gov't owned rather than privately owned.

The thing is pristine grounds and landscaping, make the sport look better, they are more approachable for newer or weaker players. I can get my wife to go play Bryant with me at the drop of a hat. She'll play Oakwood on occasion. She doesn't really care for Acorn. All 3 are good courses, all 3 offer different challenges. Only 1 looks pretty.

I love a great design. I played Sommerset and I think you guys did a pretty good job there (only played 10 though need to get back out this summer for another round with the new 18 in). But understand that looking pretty is a part of a great design, an ugly course with bad signage will not be as well reviewed as a slightly easier course with good landscaping and signs.

 

[deadbody]

E Roc you say you play for the challenge, but in your Somerset expansion thread you mention a 500 ft. downhill shot. You talk about it being a "massive downhill bomb." 500ft downhill is not challenging, why not challenge your self and your design and make it 800ft? But, if you think 500ft. downhill is a difficult, then I question your opinion of which courses are great and not.

Have you played Sommerset? the original 10 were not that long. I think I needed the drive once or twice total, and I am pushing 300' on a good day with a driver. 500' with a tight window (as I assume it will be since the land there was pretty tree covered) is a challenge.

 

[E_Rock25]

E Roc you say you play for the challenge, but in your Somerset expansion thread you mention a 500 ft. downhill shot. You talk about it being a "massive downhill bomb." 500ft downhill is not challenging, why not challenge your self and your design and make it 800ft? But, if you think 500ft. downhill is a difficult, then I question your opinion of which courses are great and not.

The way I have it designed it is an island green, making it much harder than just a 500' downhill shot. We are limited at Somerset and I can not make a 800' shot much less an 800' downhill shot. The course is not being designed to be a gold level course either. It is for beginner to upper intermediate players. It will have two sets of tees and two sets of pins on every hole (if we can get the funding we need $10,000). It will be challanging from the blues but we don't have enough room for a true Gold Level course.

 

[E_Rock25]

Have you played Sommerset? the original 10 were not that long. I think I needed the drive once or twice total, and I am pushing 300' on a good day with a driver. 500' with a tight window (as I assume it will be since the land there was pretty tree covered) is a challenge.

Right now there are 4 holes over 300' with one of those 4 just over 400' from the long tees we instaled last fall. The expansion (8 new holes) will have one hole over 600' from the long pad and one or two holes that are 500' from the longs.

None of the new holes will be under 325' from the longs.