Male vs Female Skill Levels

[Halcón]

Please re-craft a simple statement so that we have both the context and the conclusion you're trying to make so I can better understand what you're saying. To me, it sounds like you're saying women aren't better at sports because they'd rather make friends than win.

Some players, both men and women, play tourneys for the social aspect. The percentage is likely higher among women. That's my take on what Mark Ellis meant.

 

[bluTDI09]

Wow... Are you serious? :doh: :gross:

This is not an insult to women any more than saying they are physically less strong. On average, women have less testosterone in their bodies, which studies have shown correlates with aggressive and competitive behavior. This is true in species other than humans as well.

FWIW, I don't think that accounts for much difference in the level of play between the top women and the top men. More of that is due to lack of competition from the field due to fewer female players. That, and the advantage that men have in being able to throw farther with less effort.

 

[The Hammer]

Just because some courses are long doesn't mean you can't be 1000 rated. It depends on where you play.

You're right. But, they would have to stick to short courses. I don't think you will see a woman with a skill-set that is that good decide to stick to just the shorter courses for the purposes of getting her rating over 1000. There is little point. If they are that good, they would be playing NT's, which are typically held on championship level courses. NT's are where the money is at.

 

[Toro71]

Just because some courses are long doesn't mean you can't be 1000 rated. It depends on where you play.

I think Hammer's point is that for the open players, overall the D is going to be a seperating factor between men/women, since they play the same course pretty often....?

 

[The Hammer]

I think Hammer's point is that for the open players, overall the D is going to be a seperating factor between men/women, since they play the same course pretty often....?

Yes. I guess my word-smithing sucks.

When the courses they are playing start including par 4s and 5s the gap becomes even greater.

 

[apparition]

This is not an insult to women any more than saying they are physically less strong. On average, women have less testosterone in their bodies, which studies have shown correlates with aggressive and competitive behavior. This is true in species other than humans as well.

FWIW, I don't think that accounts for much difference in the level of play between the top women and the top men. More of that is due to lack of competition from the field due to fewer female players. That, and the advantage that men have in being able to throw farther with less effort.

You're applying the biochemistry of females in general (and nearsightedly) to female athletes and it's just wrong.

 

[1978]

I do not think women are as close to reaching their potential skill level as men yet because the necessary competition is not there. That is not to say that the women who dominate the sport are not very good. It just means that if there were more of them, they would be even better. And that is mainly a statement about consistency, not ability to throw amazing shots. We have all seen them throw amazing shots that most disc golfers, male or female, can't do.

The necesary competition IS there...its men. Also, you dont compete against anyone, just the course. You touch on the problem though...not enough women play.

Would Usain Bolt be the fastest man in the world if every man and woman was raised at birth to be the fastest sprinter. Probably not... but hes the fastest that has tried the sport.

Could there be 1040 rated women, absolutly. You can play 1040 rated golf while throwing under 350...it is just more difficult to. Women are limited physically so are at a disadvantage when they have to use drivers instead of mids on certain shots.

 

[Pwingles]

Please re-craft a simple statement so that we have both the context and the conclusion you're trying to make so I can better understand what you're saying. To me, it sounds like you're saying women aren't better at sports because they'd rather make friends than win.

No. You're over simplifying.
Take any sport in the world thats played by both men and women, Ithink you would find the same type of skill polarization to hold true for the most part. This also doesnt insinuate that there is a ceiling on a womans talent or potential to improve. Just that, by and large, less woman compete in the activity in general, as compared to men. And that the top of the field is spread farther apart from the second tier talent than for men.

I contribute that to, a women's nature is being less apt to be competetive.

 

[scarpfish]

You're applying the biochemistry of females in general (and nearsightedly) to female athletes and it's just wrong.

How are athletes different biochemically from the average member of their respective gender? I'm curious.

 

[bluTDI09]

You're applying the biochemistry of females in general (and nearsightedly) to female athletes and it's just wrong.

Since when are female athletes not females? And in what way is that nearsighted and wrong?

 

[bluTDI09]

The necesary competition IS there...its men. Also, you dont compete against anyone, just the course.

I agree that the standard is there, but not the competition. If female players made a habit of playing MPO and using that as their gauge for success, then the competition would be there to drive the improvement. I realize that happens from time to time but not often.

I would be very interested to hear what any of the top 4 women in the world have to say on the subject of what motivates them to improve. I doubt any would say that they aim to be the men's world champion.

 

[Toro71]

Yes. I guess my word-smithing sucks.

When the courses they are playing start including par 4s and 5s the gap becomes even greater.

You mentioned C Allen's athleticism. I'm always curious, what's her background, sports-wise? The guy who really got me into DG had a heavy martial arts background, and it seems that a lot of the same skills/sources of "power" there translate well to DG. As McBeth shows, there are some strong ties to the baseball skills.

My ex had a deep dance background, and she never really "played" DG, but she copied my x-step/motion once on sight, and one time we were tossing around in a field, and she could rip it, D wise, and l/r accuracy wise. She wasn't really into it, but all she'd need is some nose angle work and a better grip, and her driving game would've been better than mine at the time.

 

[apparition]

Since when are female athletes not females? And in what way is that nearsighted and wrong?

You switched around the meaning of my statement to make it false, which would make me look stupid, dude! What I'm saying is that out of the entire population of women, not all of them are athletes. He's alluded to testosterone level to be the determining variable in aggressive and/or competitive behavior in the female population, which doesn't give a complete understanding of either those types of behavior or the specific subset of females (athletes). Which is why I said 'nearsighted'.

 

[1978]

You're applying the biochemistry of females in general (and nearsightedly) to female athletes and it's just wrong.

Im quite sure that Valerie has tons of competition playing with Nate and Avery. You dont need fields of 100 women to get better. You need practice. BTW one of the best women players I have played with is Kelsey Brakel. She only carries like 5 discs, lol. I wish she played more. She almost made the Semi's at Worlds in MA1 this year and i am confident she would have finished in the top 10 for Female Open. Her 950 average rated rounds would have put her 1 rating point behind Paige Pierce 951.

Anyways...

 

[bergdawg]

Boys rule, girls drool.

/thread.

 

[Toro71]

Boys rule, girls drool.

/thread.

So, what you're saying is, Gs up Hos down? Man, there's so much drama in the LBC!

 

[apparition]

Im quite sure that Valerie has tons of competition playing with Nate and Avery. You dont need fields of 100 women to get better. You need practice. BTW one of the best women players I have played with is Kelsey Brakel. She only carries like 5 discs, lol. I wish she played more. She almost made the Semi's at Worlds in MA1 this year and i am confident she would have finished in the top 10 for Female Open. Her 950 average rated rounds would have put her 1 rating point behind Paige Pierce 951.

Anyways...

I'm not sure why that's directed at the biochemistry comment I made lol

 

[MNcyclone]

Women have the major disadvantage of being responsible human beings. The maternal instinct created by estrogen and other womanly hormones also leads women to seek out stable and responsible activities, like, you know, employment.

It takes a man to completely disregard any respectable life ambition to play a game 7 days a week. The same man that is really really good at disc golf has the same qualities as the top rated modern warfare player. All it takes is time and a lack of self respect.

 

[Pwingles]

Women have the major disadvantage of being responsible human beings. The maternal instinct created by estrogen and other womanly hormones also leads women to seek out stable and responsible activities, like, you know, employment.

It takes a man to completely disregard any respectable life ambition to play a game 7 days a week. The same man that is really really good at disc golf has the same qualities as the top rated modern warfare player. All it takes is time and a lack of self respect.

I was typing something along these lol, but this will do.
What would the DG equivelent be to d bag 12 yr olds dropshotting?

 

[apparition]

It takes a man to completely disregard any respectable life ambition to play a game 7 days a week. The same man that is really really good at disc golf has the same qualities as the top rated modern warfare player. All it takes is time and a lack of self respect.

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