Am world BAGGERS

[18Down]

How do all your words start in caps?

 

[bwgort]

Who you mean?

Check the legends division.

 

[JC17393]

Wow 24 pages in one day, looks like the OP struck a nerve.

I agree with the OP. This isn't some local tourney sponsored by a random shop, it's the World Am Championship. They should be able to control who is in what bracket if they want to maintain some legitimacy.

By barring players that are otherwise eligible to compete, that makes it more legitimate?

There is no cap on amateur play. Period. There's nothing illegitimate about this guy playing at Worlds.

If this were a local tourney sponsored by a random shop, I think there'd be more reason to urge the guy to play in Open, even if he declined the cash. Big fish, small pond, etc.

But this is the Amateur World Championship...why shouldn't any amateur be allowed to compete for the title. The operative word is amateur, which is not relevant to skill level at all. It's only relevant to the compensation (or lack thereof) received for winning.

 

[DavidSauls]

....should then be "required" (as opposed to forced) to move up....

You lost me there.

 

[DavidSauls]

....it's the World Am Championship. They should be able to control who is in what bracket if they want to maintain some legitimacy.

A curious phrase. How is the World Am Championship more legitimate if you don't allow all Ams to compete?

 

[Dave242]

Maybe to make things "more legitimate" in the way these posters are mentioning, there should be some official recognition of players that averaged the highest above their rating. Essentially, these posters are proposing a ratings cap (say at 960 or 975 or whatever....just no 1000 rated/hated players)......so then it basically boils down to who scores the highest above their rating for a week.

The "Performance Flight" at the USDGC provides an entire event based solely on this.....so maybe Worlds could offer something like this with similar qualifying criteria to be eligible for the award.

After all, golf is in essence a solo sport where you are playing against the course and against yourself.

 

[davetherocketguy]

Threads like this make me never EVER want to join the PDGA and play in sanctioned tourneys. I don't need this headache.

This sport is sooo stinking small we make the people who play "pro" pay an entry fee (that is correct - isn't it?). Think about that for a moment.

Pro (def.) Noun
A professional, esp. in sports: "a tennis pro".

Professional (def.) Noun
A person engaged or qualified in a profession

Profession (def.) Noun
1. A paid occupation, esp. one that involves prolonged training and a formal qualification.
2. A body of people engaged in a particular profession

So suffice to say if you are "pro" you are making money at it or even earning a living off of it. If you aren't making money rather, shelling out large sums of cash for entry fees and aren't making enough to cover the expenses then you aren't "pro" IMHO - it's just an expensive hobby you happen to be really good at. All this to say methinks the PDGA definition of "pro" is a little...jacked up.

 

[Dave242]

After 3 rounds, here is how the top 20 Performers versus their rating stack up (everyone qualifies....unlike how the Performance Flight works):

[B]Place	PDGA	[COLOR="Blue"]Perf[/COLOR]	Rating	Rd1	Rd1	Rd2	Rd2	Rd3	Rd3	Name[/B]
112	49236	48	888	61	955	64	912	60	942	Tom Reese
14	44600	47	924	65	919	49	1022	56	973	Bruce Esquivel
69	52745	46	907	53	1025	58	967	68	867	Dominic Rodriguez
112	45288	38	899	66	911	63	921	56	979	Mike Hiller
130	47957	34	896	61	955	62	930	64	904	Juan J. Martinez
14	50464	33	936	57	990	56	953	57	963	Peter Bures
8	38535	32	944	61	955	52	992	55	982	James Porter
48	50218	32	916	53	1025	60	913	63	907	Danny Reveal
69	30586	30	924	56	999	60	948	63	914	Kelly Takemoto
18	50270	28	939	62	946	53	982	56	973	James Hopkins
150	40193	28	880	74	793	60	948	57	982	Terry Straub
112	52210	27	910	70	875	58	967	57	969	Nathan Clark
112	51883	27	909	60	963	64	912	61	932	Rene Munoz
122	45660	27	907	66	911	63	921	57	969	Tenal Cooley IV
8	52376	26	948	55	1007	54	972	59	944	Jerry Thomason
69	43623	26	928	58	981	63	921	58	960	Michael Kaufman
94	46714	26	918	54	1016	63	921	65	895	Jace Lundgren
23	42087	26	938	64	928	56	953	52	1010	Jason Snodgrass
122	42656	26	908	66	911	62	930	58	960	Carl Peach
3	47932	25	976	58	981	48	1031	54	991	Stephen Economos

 

[Dave242]

Here is how the top 20 are doing versus their ratings:

[B]Place	PDGA	[COLOR="Blue"]Perf[/COLOR]	Rating	Rd1	Rd1	Rd2	Rd2	Rd3	Rd3	Name[/B]
1	41260	6	998	59	972	48	1031	52	1010	Steven Jacobs
1	26514	4	1000	55	1007	49	1022	55	982	Joseph Stettinger
3	47932	25	976	58	981	48	1031	54	991	Stephen Economos
4	50401	19	976	58	981	51	1002	53	1001	Chris Clemons
5	51116	15	968	63	937	49	1022	54	991	Sean Scruby
5	39316	2	979	58	981	54	972	54	991	Aaron Walther
7	50680	6	974	61	955	51	1002	55	982	Jesse Dalton
8	38535	32	944	61	955	52	992	55	982	James Porter
8	38536	13	964	65	919	48	1031	55	982	Toby Prince
8	40936	15	958	51	1042	59	923	58	954	Casey Fluty
8	52376	26	948	55	1007	54	972	59	944	Jerry Thomason
12	50884	15	957	57	990	53	982	59	944	Ryan Kastle
12	50383	5	968	60	963	50	1012	59	944	Luis Nava
14	44600	47	924	65	919	49	1022	56	973	Bruce Esquivel
14	50464	33	936	57	990	56	953	57	963	Peter Bures
14	40274	13	956	60	963	53	982	57	963	Nick Hanson
14	32750	-8	977	58	981	54	972	58	954	Aaron Doyle
18	38223	8	957	59	972	58	933	54	991	Andrew Jinks
18	45971	-16	983	62	946	55	963	54	991	Calvin Heimburg
18	40155	4	961	58	981	58	933	55	982	Bryan Gaskill
18	45832	1	967	65	919	51	1002	55	982	Joel Dunst
18	50270	28	939	62	946	53	982	56	973	James Hopkins

 

[1978]

dang Stephen and Aaron, now I wish I'd played.
look at number.39 1060, 845, 944. that's an am

 

[Dave242]

And just for the "Make AM Worlds Legit" posters, here are the Top 20 with a ratings cutoff of 969:

[B]Place	PDGA	[COLOR="Blue"]Perf[/COLOR]	Rating	Rd1	Rd1	Rd2	Rd2	Rd3	Rd3	Name[/B]
5	51116	15	968	63	937	49	1022	54	991	Sean Scruby
8	38535	32	944	61	955	52	992	55	982	James Porter
8	38536	13	964	65	919	48	1031	55	982	Toby Prince
8	40936	15	958	51	1042	59	923	58	954	Casey Fluty
8	52376	26	948	55	1007	54	972	59	944	Jerry Thomason
12	50884	15	957	57	990	53	982	59	944	Ryan Kastle
12	50383	5	968	60	963	50	1012	59	944	Luis Nava
14	44600	47	924	65	919	49	1022	56	973	Bruce Esquivel
14	50464	33	936	57	990	56	953	57	963	Peter Bures
14	40274	13	956	60	963	53	982	57	963	Nick Hanson
18	38223	8	957	59	972	58	933	54	991	Andrew Jinks
18	40155	4	961	58	981	58	933	55	982	Bryan Gaskill
18	45832	1	967	65	919	51	1002	55	982	Joel Dunst
18	50270	28	939	62	946	53	982	56	973	James Hopkins
23	42087	26	938	64	928	56	953	52	1010	Jason Snodgrass
23	36673	12	949	54	1016	59	923	59	944	Ken Parks
23	37836	1	962	57	990	52	992	63	907	Brad Bullerdieck
29	51218	3	958	64	928	55	963	54	991	Joshua Aumick
29	39737	-4	966	68	893	50	1012	55	982	Seth Cook
29	51448	9	949	55	1007	60	913	58	954	Andrew Herrera
29	45053	8	950	55	1007	59	923	59	944	Jason Oxsen
29	48186	18	940	55	1007	58	933	60	935	Bryan Jenkins
29	18053	1	957	52	1034	60	913	61	926	Aaron Sims

 

[New013]

apparently a **** ton of you ignored my post asking why the hell everyone is taking this **** so seriously.....

i dont know if anybody is whining or whatever, all i know is the guy is a bagger. it doesnt hurt my feelings, i dont care if he moves up or not, i'm not losing any sleep over it, i'm just calling him a bagger. i honestly dont see what's wrong with giving the guy some ****... he earned it.

are some of you seriously telling me if one of your friends was 1000 rated and still playing Am you wouldnt poke the bear a little bit? around here he would here it everyday and it's all in good fun.

 

[1978]

After 3 rounds, here is how the top 20 Performers versus their rating stack up (everyone qualifies....unlike how the Performance Flight works):

[B]Place	PDGA	[COLOR="Blue"]Perf[/COLOR]	Rating	Rd1	Rd1	Rd2	Rd2	Rd3	Rd3	Name[/B]
112	49236	48	888	61	955	64	912	60	942	Tom Reese
14	44600	47	924	65	919	49	1022	56	973	Bruce Esquivel
69	52745	46	907	53	1025	58	967	68	867	Dominic Rodriguez Yves
112	45288	38	899	66	911	63	921	56	979	Mike Hiller
130	47957	34	896	61	955	62	930	64	904	Juan J. Martinez
14	50464	33	936	57	990	56	953	57	63	Peter Bures
8	38535	32	944	61	955	52	992	55	982	James Porter
48	50218	32	916	53	1025	60	913	63	907	Danny Reveal
69	30586	30	924	56	999	60	948	63	914	Kelly Takemoto
18	50270	28	939	62	946	53	982	56	973	James Hopkins
150	40193	28	880	74	793	60	948	57	982	Terry Straub
112	52210	27	910	70	875	58	967	57	969	Nathan Clark
112	51883	27	909	60	963	64	912	61	932	Rene Munoz
122	45660	27	907	66	911	63	921	57	969	Tenal Cooley IV
8	52376	26	948	55	1007	54	972	59	944	Jerry Thomason
69	43623	26	928	58	981	63	921	58	960	Michael Kaufman
94	46714	26	918	54	1016	63	921	65	895	Jace Lundgren
23	42087	26	938	64	928	56	953	52	1010	Jason Snodgrass
122	42656	26	908	66	911	62	930	58	960	Carl Peach
3	47932	25	976	58	981	48	1031	54	991	Stephen Economos

cause 888 rated am world champions is great for the sport. Will you guys promise to get a longer thread when I play next year?

 

[HiFi]

apparently a **** ton of you ignored my post asking why the hell everyone is taking this **** so seriously.....

i dont know if anybody is whining or whatever, all i know is the guy is a bagger. it doesnt hurt my feelings, i dont care if he moves up or not, i'm not losing any sleep over it, i'm just calling him a bagger. i honestly dont see what's wrong with giving the guy some ****... he earned it.

are some of you seriously telling me if one of your friends was 1000 rated and still playing Am you wouldnt poke the bear a little bit? around here he would here it everyday and it's all in good fun.

Pretty much on the head here. No one is saying the guy should be arrested.

Funny how he has the highest rating and is tied for 1st though lol.

 

[Dave242]

cause 888 rated am world champions is great for the sport.

It is as great for the sport as a 999 rated am champ or a 777 am champ. Basically, crowning an am champ has a value to the sport so close to zero that they are all the same....if you round things off to the nearest 3 or 4 decimal places.

 

[The Hammer]

cause 888 rated am world champions is great for the sport. Will you guys promise to get a longer thread when I play next year?

Am world champions mean nothing to the sport. They are just the best at being average.

 

[The Hammer]

Pretty much on the head here. No one is saying the guy should be arrested.

Funny how he has the highest rating and is tied for 1st though lol.

I hope he melts down and gets crushed by someone rated 940 or so. That would be great.

 

[nickrew1]

I agree it's a joke!

 

[1978]

Am world champions mean nothing to the sport. They are just the best at being average.

same value as any pro title

 

[Halcón]

How many of you all posting here could win Am Worlds? Maybe if you played the event instead of talking on the interwebz you'd feel differently about what an Am Champ "means" to the sport.