What is the worst disc ever made?

[Dire Wolfy]

Maybe it was part of a secret experiment? ;-)

Oh boy a conspiracy about the groove lol

 

[DiscJunkie]

What pisses me off about Discs such as the Groove is how they were mass-produced and marketed to freaking beginners walking past them at large retail chains. No beginner should have something harder to throw than something like a Stratus or Stingray as their first Disc, and yet there are high-speed drivers galore in these racks that require a pro arm to make them do what they're designed to do. It's awful for the sport. The kinds of players who can throw a Boss right are a slim percentage of the sport's population. They are typically experts on the game and aren't going to be buying them from Dick's Sporting Goods anyway, more likely from their local clubs or through the mail or whatever. I just can't understand why the big companies load up these displays with Discs that are going to frustrate most new players.

Your point that beginners and noobs should throw Stratii and Stingrays is perfectly correct.
Trouble is, that young buck that sees himself as the second coming of Tarzan is going to pick up the fastest, coolest-looking disc he can find.
Innova or Discraft or Lat64 or anyone else who can get a disc on a retail display is going to sell whatever the customer buys.
And if the retail store sells and re-orders Grooves, Innova will oblige.
I wouldn't be too hard on the disc mfr.
They are simply selling what sells.

 

[SD86]

Your point that beginners and noobs should throw Stratii and Stingrays is perfectly correct.
Trouble is, that young buck that sees himself as the second coming of Tarzan is going to pick up the fastest, coolest-looking disc he can find.
Innova or Discraft or Lat64 or anyone else who can get a disc on a retail display is going to sell whatever the customer buys.
And if the retail store sells and re-orders Grooves, Innova will oblige.
I wouldn't be too hard on the disc mfr.
They are simply selling what sells.

Generally disagree. The people buying at the retail stores tend to be new to the game. They don't realize the atrocity that the Groove is. Buyers for the stores also don't realize how bad the Groove is, and how damaging it is to get people to stay with the game. I blame Innova for pushing the Groove onto these stores in order to get rid of them.

 

[Central Scrutinizer]

It's doubtful most store managers doing the ordering know much if anything about Disc Golf. I have seldomly encountered anybody in one of these places who does. But yeah, I understand the psychology and economics of the situation.

 

[Hampstead]

I don't think you guys get it. With all the new players and expanding retail options, Innova has been low on a lot of discs this year. In some cases, certain molds and plastic types were unavailable for most of the summer. With that being the case, would you prefer that Dick's syphon off the good stuff or crap? I say, let them have all the Grooves they want.

 

[Nenja]

Generally disagree. The people buying at the retail stores tend to be new to the game. They don't realize the atrocity that the Groove is. Buyers for the stores also don't realize how bad the Groove is, and how damaging it is to get people to stay with the game. I blame Innova for pushing the Groove onto these stores in order to get rid of them.

Many beginners buys what's available and seems new, fast, glidey or just cool.

I bet at least some people will learn to not trust Innova blindly.

 

[teemkey]

 

[DanJon]

The Mercury Putter actually isn't half bad...

Funny but true.

 

[MarkDSM]

I've been hoping for quite a while that I would run into a Wheel. Surely that most be the worst.

Turbo putt so far has been the worst for me messing with. It's garbage for turbo trowing which I love and work on for fun. (turbo putt catch disc is fun). I can turbo anything longer and much more release angle controled than that junk. The notches and the swirl are counterproductive.



My only argument is that The Epic really doesn't belong on this thread, it's a disc for people that do not fear overhand herorics. If I had a year to live, I would start throwing the epic.

 

[Casey 1988]

Worst disc I have ever used is the X Putt'r, in elite plastic, I had my disc do the slight indent to the flight plate due to the soft Elite X plastic the Disc was made in. The indent on the top of the light plate of disc had to be thrown a bit harder then it should be to have some glide meaning that for most players the disc as a putter would not work as it would fly past the basket more then wanted if you missed.

 

[Casey 1988]

What pisses me off about Discs such as the Groove is how they were mass-produced and marketed to freaking beginners walking past them at large retail chains. No beginner should have something harder to throw than something like a Stratus or Stingray as their first Disc, and yet there are high-speed drivers galore in these racks that require a pro arm to make them do what they're designed to do. It's awful for the sport. The kinds of players who can throw a Boss right are a slim percentage of the sport's population. They are typically experts on the game and aren't going to be buying them from Dick's Sporting Goods anyway, more likely from their local clubs or through the mail or whatever. I just can't understand why the big companies load up these displays with Discs that are going to frustrate most new players.

I disagree, some players need to see if the disc has dome or not to find a driver disc they like. I do think that the really big places do not know what they are doing to promote Disc golf. Sheel's does do a good job on the discs though, they have lots of the bigger brands discs beginners sets like the two Innova makes and the one Discraft makes or even the Latitude 64 set. They had those just off to the side of the other discs.

The Groove was a disc that like the Daedalus varied so much from Disc to Disc that they are worthless for players to use.

 

[Casey 1988]

Another bad set except the putter was the Wham-O old touchline lineup of discs they made in the 2000's. The putter was between a Classic Aviar and a Magnet putter, more like the Classic Aviar but with the flight rings on the disc. I did use a Wham-O touchline Under for a bit but got rid of the disc as the plastic type was while stiff like most discs was too soft to really do anything with, I had to be careful to not hit hard ground with the Wham-O discs or the flight would change if I used the disc on hard ground. My brother had the driver, mid and putter set that he just got rid of tossed the discs in the recycling except the 174 gram Touchline Putter I gave that to my mom as she uses the Classic Aviar disc as her putter and I thought this Wham-O disc is similar to a Classic Aviar. She even has an 10 time or 11 time KC Pro Aviar I found on a course in max weight with only the guy's first name on the disc. I don't use an Aviar so I gave that to my mom who uses the Classic Aviar.

I use a Magnet Putter all 3 are 173-174 grams, one is an old stiff Hard Pro D Magnet and the others are new Jawbreaker ones one a True Putter the other a Long putter/short Approach disc that both have a Ring I drew on them in permanent marker as I use that ring on the D Magnet to help place my thumb.

 

[Casey 1988]

I saw an old plastic one of these break on a tree during an approach putt at 10 meters or less. The guy had one as a disc in his bag bran new and broke that round The company that bought Quest AT from Gateway when they sold the molds off or had a brand buy the molds off of them made a harder plastic Brick that is more like a Champion type plastic but not as opaque, all the discs are like that and one of the discs that was made when Gateway had the company is now a super floppy driver, like as floppy as the DGA Gumbputt. I could see that disc being made for the purposes of throwing a drive and fairway drive on a hole that has a cliff or drop off on one side.

 

[art_vandelay]

The worst disc in the world changes for me often. It's the mold I just threw in the woods. It can actually change shot by shot!! Of course it's never me.

 

[Streets]

What's the last disc Trilogy came out with?

 

[Moose33]

What's the last disc Trilogy came out with?

The arsonist or something like that.

 

[skurf]

I was thinking about these, which may be worse than the Halex/Helix.

The mid and driver there are the two worst discs I've ever thrown. I watched some of that Wal-mart Franklin discs video and they pretty much fly identical to those. The putter wasn't half-bad though. It flew kinda like an Aviar.

 

[Meillo]

The mid and driver there are the two worst discs I've ever thrown. I watched some of that Wal-mart Franklin discs video and they pretty much fly identical to those. The putter wasn't half-bad though. It flew kinda like an Aviar.[/
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There's some entertainment value in this video (Walmart Disc Challenge):

In that video the putter gets used more and more for driving. They would better only sell the putter.

 

[joecoin]

Oh boy a conspiracy about the groove lol

How else you gonna explain it?

 

[pauldst]

How else you gonna explain it?

Something along the lines of the designer(s) being so in love with, or proud of, the groove-in-the-rim concept, that they could not admit failure, and they have enough juice to make non-recognition of failure stick. So the company goes with it as if there is no problem, or even worse, push harder because it must be a success. Expecially after all the hype.

OR, rather than having too much emotional/intellectual capital sink into the project, it is a matter of throwing good money after bad because of so much already being sunk into it.

Or both.

This kind of thing happens.