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Define "Professional" Disc Golfer
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As is your right.
But the PDGA says (emphasis added):
Sounds like you need to convince the PDGA to revamp its system. Good luck? :\
This is from the DGPT website. 95% of professionals using the PDGA's definition wouldn't qualify:
The Disc Golf Pro Tour's mission is to grow professional disc golf through the management and promotion of elite professional disc golf events curated into the world's largest pro tour.
Making $50 at a local C-tier in which it cost you over $100 in entry fees, food, travel and time, doesn't make you a professional.
No, by my sentiment SOME of them are not professionals. In the same article that that blurb came from - players are discussing the fact that they're needing to do things like work house cleaning jobs or pick up shifts at Amazon to get by. Not all of them, though - as many of them do have soccer related earnings besides their league earnings (such as US National Team pay). The question of whether or not they are truly being provided the opportunity to be a professional soccer player comes down to whether or not they are earning a living as a soccer player - in the case of most of the league the answer is no, and it makes a mockery of the league being called a "professional" league.
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Nope, straight from the PDGA:
PDGA Tour Player Classifications & Divisions (clicky)
Edit: I think I missed what you were saying, apologies. But I will leave the link up.
If you got that I was explicitly referring to what the PDGA says about their divisions, why did you decide to spend time sharing with me what the PDGA says about their divisions?Right, I got that. That's why I wished you luck.
I have no words for the misogyny in this statement.
That is good information. I was referring to the Disc Golf Pro tour, that targets the true professionals of our sport, those whose goal it is to play disc golf for a living.
https://www.dgpt.com/
Dcinmd
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I guess all of the NFL and MLB players in the 50's and 60's working side jobs during the offseason where not consider "professional" either.
No there were not considered professional, they were semi-pros.
That is lame, surely you can debate without resorting to this, lol.
EarthRocker
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And then there's the option, when joining the PDGA, to pay X-dollars to be an "Amateur," or X+25 to be a "Professional."
I chose the latter, because it is my goal to win money in sanctioned events eventually. And I like the look of the word on my little card.
But I don't refer to myself as a pro disc golfer. Not because it's "wrong" or "insulting" to a subset of players. I just know how goofy it sounds to those who don't love the game like we do.
"I'm sorry...? You're a pro what, now?"
I chose the latter, because it is my goal to win money in sanctioned events eventually. And I like the look of the word on my little card.
But I don't refer to myself as a pro disc golfer. Not because it's "wrong" or "insulting" to a subset of players. I just know how goofy it sounds to those who don't love the game like we do.
"I'm sorry...? You're a pro what, now?"
No, there's no misogyny. Those women SHOULD be paid SIGNIFICANTLY more than they are. It is a direct reflection on the misogyny of the sports entertainment industry that 1/3 of the women in that league are not able to earn a professional wage considering the amount of time they put in.
Correct. As noted by foxdawg - those players were semi-professional at best. The sport simply wasn't at a level where everyone playing was actually a professional baseball player or football player. And I consider there to be a significant difference in talent that should reflect on the accomplishments of the best players in the sport from those era - players who earned enough to not have to work a side job throughout the off-season had a significant performance advantage over those who did. That is not a characteristic of a league completely composed of professionals.
EarthRocker
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I also want to mention that back when it mattered (before the USA decided it wanted to ship NBA players around the world stomping on other countries in the Olympics) an amateur was only an amateur until they took their first cash for play. In almost every sport. Then they were deemed Professionals, period, and unable to compete in amateur athletics. They didn't have to make a living at it - only to take some money.
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I expected that you were familiar with PDGA divisions, but figured that the information might be useful for others participating in this discussion.
Just call me Mr. Helpful. :|
It was phrased more as a direct counter to me. But, thank you Mr. Helpful.
zontar
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idk. I've made money in a few sports (never disc golf), and it kinda is what it is. a lot of endeavors have this weirdness.
This line actually began to blur long before that point. The NCAA originally specifically defined amateurism as including a ban on athletics scholarships to attend college. Would you consider an athletics scholarship an infringement on someone's status as an amateur?
Oh hey there look at YOUUUU engaging dishonestly.
The entire statement you hideously ripped context from was:
It is clear here that I was referring to the fact that they are not paid a professional wage, directly in line with my follow up message:
Their pay scale is what makes a mockery of the league being called a "professional" league. They SHOULD be paid a wage that would supersede their league being a mockery.
The whole statement is worse bud.
What they should be paid, we agree on.
What they are and what they call themselves is a professional soccer league. You calling that a mockery is you mocking them, and not respecting them as professional athletes.
I am sorry that I didn't pull your full quote, I figured you would be able to see the error in your ways, but your opinion seems to be the only one that matters.
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