Good at turnover shots

[imoser_me]

I was at a Random Draw Doubles Leagues the other day and was faced with a 125 ft blind shot around a tree line. The only shot was around the left side, so me being a RHBH thrower almost exclusively (forehands are rare and usually a disaster), I took out my Latitude 64 Fuse and launched it with a little hyzer straight at the gap. The disc turned over and rode the anny line right next to the basket.

I have been working on my turnover shots for a long time, so to me that was just a normal shot that I just executed. My partner turns to me and says, "Wow, I could never have done that. How do you do that?" He then proceeds to throw a forehand shot that doesn't get as close as my shot. Then the other group we were playing commented on how nice the shot was and wished they could do the same.

I thought that everyone threw turnover shots, so the comments came as a little suprise to me. Then I thought about it and realized that most people that I play with would have used a forehand shot in that situation.

My best friend that I play with also calls the anhyzer shot "my kind of shot" as I have utilized it a lot. Among the people I play with, the slow turnover shot is only used my me and one other person.

Do a lot of people use the turnover shot instead of the forehand? The turnover shot is something that is easy for me now, so I guess I don't understand how people have a hard time with it. Are turnover shots that hard to execute?

 

[BrotherDave]

Turnovers came naturally to me when I made a concerted effort to improve, I still prefer a FH for certain situations like low ceilings, tunnels and hard right turns but I'll usually throw a turnover if I can. I think a lot of n00bs struggle w/ turnovers b/c: A) They throw overstable/fast discs to mask their OAT, and B) They throw with a lot of OAT.

 

[Mike C]

Once practiced, no they aren't. I think (Guessing from what I've seen locally) some players utilize the forehand shot as a crutch, because they haven't developed a proper anhyzer. Someone I used to throw with would toss forehand any time he needed a right turn. An anhyzer, or turnover, isn't very difficult if you've practiced it and you know your discs, but some peoples habits would lead you to think otherwise.

 

[craftsman]

I pretty much only throw bh so I have to use anhyzers and turnovers. I will admit that a fh hyzer is a more predictable shot. For a turnover you need to get just enough speed/snap, with an anny you need to hit the right height/line. You also have to make sure it doesn't fade or roll, unless ofcourse that's your intention. Having a fh gives you the chance to lob it up there on a multitude of lines that will all give you the wanted result.
Ever have a day when you turning em to fast or not turning em enough? Then what? I find myself having a hard time keeping up with the am1/open/pro players without a fh

 

[craftsman]

What about a fh line that starts anny then fades back? To bh that you need to hflip but to hflip you usually need to give it a lil more. With the fh it can be a nice and easy controlled shot with a way better deflection if it hits.

 

[#19325]

Talk to any lefty. They are awesome at turnover shots. Courses are loaded with righty favored designs.

 

[BACKhand13]

I wish turnover shots came to me so easily, I have to get a super flippy disc. I'll just pull out my stingray...I usually throw a FH because that throw is more natural for me than a turnover shot!

 

[Mike C]

Try using a putter to practice turnovers. It's easier to push them past their intended cruising speed than any driver out there.

 

[BACKhand13]

Sounds like a plan! I'll head out to the field and try that out tomorrow...well today.

 

[craftsman]

+ 1 to that.
I had my friend Ashley use an apx for that shot.
Use the elbow the help determine the angle. Elbow lower then the disc = anny, elbow higher= hyzer. Try different degrees of elbow.

 

[jongoff09]

I took out my Latitude 64 Fuse and launched it with a little hyzer straight at the gap. The disc turned over and rode the anny line right next to the basket.

My best friend that I play with also calls the anhyzer shot "my kind of shot" as I have utilized it a lot. Among the people I play with, the slow turnover shot is only used my me and one other person.

Are turnover shots that hard to execute?

IMO, the turnover (where you throw an understable disc flat or with hyzer) to hit a narrow gap is a harder shot to be executed perfectly. If you miss the angle by a few degrees, or don't get the right amount of snap or speed, the disc goes anywhere except where you want it. There are some shots that a turnover is the easiest shot to get close to the basket, such as one where the disc needs to go right and then fade a little to go straight, but there is a higher chance of missing altogether and ending up with a worse score than you would have with a FH hyzer or BH anyzer shot and just taking a par.

I think a true anyzer is a great shot to have. I have a little more control over an anyzer than a FH. Of course, the best thing to do is master every shot, but if it was easy then we would all do it.

The best way I can explain in throwing anyzer is to keep your shoulder angle at the time of release the same as the angle of the disc in relation to the ground.

 

[skurf]

Are you sure it was a turn-over and not an anhyzer? 125' seems awfully short to make a disc turn-over. For that distance I'd probably do an anhyzer. The shortest I could do a turn-over is probably 175'. For me, to get a a disc to turn over, I have to throw it fairly hard even if it's an understable disc.

 

[jongoff09]

Are you sure it was a turn-over and not an anhyzer? 125' seems awfully short to make a disc turn-over. For that distance I'd probably do an anhyzer. The shortest I could do a turn-over is probably 175'. For me, to get a a disc to turn over, I have to throw it fairly hard even if it's an understable disc.

I was thinking that too, but I don't know anything about the Fuse or how beat the one the OP threw is. I can get my beat up aviar to make that shot; I would think anything that is really beat could possibly make the shot.

 

[Jay Dub]

I turn over a 125' shot with my beat up 166 DX XD. I love the turn over shot, it's always been used in my area.

 

[stsren]

I throw anhyzer for right turns, rather than throwing "turnovers"...
I eat turnovers for dessert after a good round...

I seldom throw a true turnover unless it's for distance and I'm trying to get a comet or a Buzzz (or low speed driver) to flip from a slight hyzer or flat release to drift anny...THIS is a difficult shot unless you have a high ceiling (difficult for me, anyway) because you run the following risks:
1. Inadequate snap = shot doesn't turnover, goes too straight
2. Inadequate speed = shot doesn't turnover, goes too straight
3. High nose angle = adds stability to disc which prevents proper turnover, disc goes too straight
3a. Low nose angle = decreases stability to disc, leads to turn and burn
4. Too much speed = shot turns over too much, not enough distance or turn and burn
5. Too much snap = shot turns over too much, short on distance or turn and burn
6. Not enough height = turn and burn or inadequate bend on shot
7. Too much height = shot may begin an S-Curve and come out of the turn away from basket (disc selection is important here, as if you have an understable disc this is less likely)

It is a delicate shot, in my opinion, and throwing it properly at a distance requires a combination of good fundamentals and comfort level with the disc you're putting on that line.

 

[imoser_me]

I have had tons of trouble in the past with turnover shots with all of the things listed from stsren. I have never backed down from the shot and because of that, it has become a useful tool.

I use turnover shots from 100 ft out to 250 ft with my mid-ranges. With the shorter turnovers, like the 125 footers, I put a slight hyzer on my fuse and put a nice and easy snap on it. I have found that with that nice and easy snap you must, and I say MUST, follow through. I used to try that easy snap and not really follow through. Those shots never turned over. Following through makes sure that you are keeping the speed with your snap.

I also to anhyzer shots as well. With that same situation a month back, I just annied a Star Roc around the corner to park the shot. I just usually use turnovers because it is just a nice and easy swing and usually has a chance to go in without flying out of putting distance from the basket.

 

[craftsman]

Nice write up stsren.

 

[Myers]

Talk to any lefty. They are awesome at turnover shots. Courses are loaded with righty favored designs.

this is absolutely true.

I use the turnover more than I used to but forehand is more predictable for me. I definitely throw the turnover when I need a softer landing and/or no skip. I have a super flippy soft magnet that is money for all my short range turnovers.

 

[tmahan]

I think the turnover is more of a aquired skill, the forehand comes more natural to most people. Some times there isn't enough room for the forehand and the BH turnover touch shot is a must. If you have enough room the forehand will generally be a higher percentage shot, if it catches an edge it will generally skip along the forhand line, if the backhand doesn't land flat and catches and edge it will generally roll off to the left and away from the desired line.

There are exceptions, like myself, my forehand sucks even though I've been practicing it for 15 years, but I've found this to be mostly true.

 

[wolito]

I definately have noticed that most beginnners start out as forehand as well. I think it is just a more comfortable way to throw to them. Personally my forehand sucks, but I understand the importance of being able to turn the disc to the right, (I throw RHBH). I have worked hard on my backhand and am able to have some degree of succes being able to control and turnover a disc to get it where I need it to go, to the right. I feel comfortable enough in my skills to do this backhand, rather than learn the forehand to do this shot for me naturally. That being said, I am starting to work a little more on my forehand.