I always loved the S plastic, especially the Demon. I love the original pencil eraser Wizards too. Also have a first run S Illusion that I still throw now and then. It's still overstable after about 5 yrs of beating and bending. So what of their newer stuff in the last few years? Did they ever make a driver that wasn't crazy overstable? I liked the Elements okay, but they never really replaced the Roc for me. I will still throw a Sabre now and then, but I can't really get distance out of them. They are like a longer Roc.