Flick Maniac
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Is it a supporting point if the surface underneath cannot support you?
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2022 Great Lakes Open
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if you look at 803.01 B: 1."A player may move casual obstacles that are on the playing surface where a supporting point may be placed when taking a stance. A casual obstacle is any item or collection of loose debris (such as stones, leaves, twigs, or unconnected branches)"
so yes you could move twigs and leaves to get to dirt.
also for the bag, bullet 2 covers this: "A player may request that other people move themselves or their belongings."
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i only watched the final round(jomez), and it was kind of entertaining to see the crowd jump around (shocking no-one got hit); if one of them had been struck there is the possibility of injury and the outcome of the lie would have changed (quite drastically if it kicked in/out of bounds, which could have happened a few times). spectator placement should be addressed in the future.
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Flick Maniac
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Cant remember what hole, the one with the giant gulley mid hole, Calvins disc hit a speactator behind the basket, giving him a long putt instead of a super long one. Luckily he didnt make it so a moot point.
Looking at the comment on the Buhr video, sounds like he wanted to do it that way as a lark, wasnt told he couldnt do it, and proceeded. If the upshot had required a full throw, not sure what would have happened but surely not this.
Looking at the comment on the Buhr video, sounds like he wanted to do it that way as a lark, wasnt told he couldnt do it, and proceeded. If the upshot had required a full throw, not sure what would have happened but surely not this.
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Also, I've never seen these top tier players wander around and huck from the woods as much, which was kinda comforting.
It's a problem. They're too close to the edge of the fairway. European Open shows how it should be done: spectators 10 feet farther back so that the disc has a little room to work without people having to duck and dodge.
BruisedOoze
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Even watching live it was happening frequently and for certain holes especially, seeing both shots from the lead and chase cards. The crowd was large enough by the end that any errant shot was going to find them. With the trees I was half expecting someone to catch a disc in the face as people were looking in the direction the disc would come from.
BillFleming
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Anyone else see the Gannon Buhr "play from a spectator's bag" throw?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNLft4XduTU
Apparently the ruling was that he *could* play from behind the bag if he wanted to (and chose not to), but I'm confused why moving the bag wasn't the correct answer to this one.. anyone happen to know?
The owner may not have wanted to move it - which would have been rude.
The owner may not have been found - security issue....who knows what could be in the bag.
Players cannot move other people's property (803.01 Moving Obstacles: B.2. A player may request that other people move themselves or their belongings.). I've seen one player move another's bag and get 'chewed out' for it.
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That's Toboggan. Easy to end up way off the fairway because the elevation gives errant downhill shots more time to fly. Even more so when the wind picks up or changes up on you.
Uphill or sideways slopes and berms affect your footwork/timing/release point, also making it easier to shank one into deep rough.
Granted, these players are the best, so they usually compensate pretty well. But when they don't, things can get very bad.
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Doesn't reflect well on our fan base that they don't realize they're in a bad spot. :\
Tourney staff needs to make more of an effort to keep crowds where they belong, but spectators need to be smarter as well.
The only impact spectators should have on the game is to pump players up.
Tourney staff needs to make more of an effort to keep crowds where they belong, but spectators need to be smarter as well.
The only impact spectators should have on the game is to pump players up.
Spectacledbear
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These SPECTators are dumb as bricks. Injure yourself? No one cares, but you might disrupt shots from the players. Move the **** away when you see discs come flying by your ears. And it should be obvious where the "landing" zones are, so why would you position yourself there.
From what I could see, spectators were mostly away from known landing zones. It's the unknown landing zones that were a problem
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Local Bond Lake is kinda like that—not as long, but I don't play from the blues. Uphill shots are so hard.
Seems like a good idea. Maybe something in the competition manual would make the most sense?
teemkey
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A player should be allowed to remove blood and other, um, biological detritus from their lie ... if it's unattached.
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Day 2 Johnny Disc Golf followed the card I was scoring for a bit. He said Toboggan was the tied with Jonesboro for the most elevation change of any course on tour. Toboggan gets the W for most hole-to-hole change, while Jonesboro is more like 3 holes in a row straight uphill.
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Day 2 Johnny Disc Golf followed the card I was scoring for a bit. He said Toboggan was the tied with Jonesboro for the most elevation change of any course on tour. Toboggan gets the W for most hole-to-hole change, while Jonesboro is more like 3 holes in a row straight uphill.
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Philo and Ian discussed that some and pretty much came to the same conclusion. That up and down effort can impact a player.
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