[Axiom] Axiom Crave, FAIRWAY DRIVER?!

[ThrowaEnvy]

I have not, but Relay is now on the list!

You might as well you've bought everything else haha... it's an immortal MVP mold..

 

[hawgdriver]

You might as well you've bought everything else haha... it's an immortal MVP mold..

I know! Quit your proselytizing, clergy man!

 

[mas30066]

Finally caved and have one on the way. Hoping that it'll assume the Discmania FD's duties as the bag looks increasingly like an MVP showcase.

 

[Jacobpaul81]

Oh, sorry, didn't mean to draw a parallel. I see them as clearly distinct, but it's more of a matter of viewing disc golf as a 3-disc endeavor and I want one driver--Teebird.

I love how straight the Crave is. I can't believe how far I threw it tonight. Ok, I can. It just went Destroyer far, that's all. Badass disc. I could easily see a three disc bag with Crave as the driver (period).

It's got legs, for sure. I compare it to the early SE Teebirds - which were the precursor to the TL. Teebirds - at least the ones I've thrown - all had more beef. I keep waiting for an actual Teebird to pair with the Crave - Servo wasn't it. Volt's a Teebird3.

 

[GripEnemy]

It's got legs, for sure. I compare it to the early SE Teebirds - which were the precursor to the TL. Teebirds - at least the ones I've thrown - all had more beef. I keep waiting for an actual Teebird to pair with the Crave - Servo wasn't it. Volt's a Teebird3.

I'm not an MVP guru (used to be a bit years ago)...is the Volt not longer and has more fade than a Teebird? More Thunderbird like? The four or five I've thrown were that way

 

[ThrowaEnvy]

I'm not an MVP guru (used to be a bit years ago)...is the Volt not longer and has more fade than a Teebird? More Thunderbird like? The four or five I've thrown were that way

I think he means the crave... I don't get that, I would say the Volt is a straight up teebird ripoff, just like you said, long, a little more turn resistant but can be straight with a defined fade. I had a magic teebird once a 155 champ and a beat Tye dye impossible to find 174... I I would totally compare them to my magic volts (domey 172 fr, domey 165n etc). But a bunch of the volts that were real stable ones. A bunch of the craves I have are actually harder to throw except for the eclipse SE.

I think that's where power level and the threshold to get it moving really come into play. I let Wolfie throw my crave and holy crap that was impressive, straight laser/ no fade. Also not my usual experience but I'm topping out at probably 330' these days.

 

[GripEnemy]

I miss Craves, the plussy rim messes with my FH release angles though (for some reason I easily adjusted BH)

 

[hawgdriver]

You know how a disc kind of winks at you and says, 'yeah, you know you wanna throw me'. Like a temptress in the night! Does she not respect this ring on my finger?

 

[gooberau]

Are the Hokom tour series Craves different … flatter, more OS, etc?

I have couple of Neutron's and love them. Basically 300' lasers.

 

[ray1970]

Are the Hokom tour series Craves different … flatter, more OS, etc?

I have couple of Neutron's and love them. Basically 300' lasers.

Only seen a few in person but they looked like pretty much every other Crave. Well, except for the stamp of course.

 

[Jacobpaul81]

I think he means the crave... I don't get that, I would say the Volt is a straight up teebird ripoff, just like you said, long, a little more turn resistant but can be straight with a defined fade.

Let's compare PDGA stats instead of talking out our ----- like a bunch of boomers...

Volt:

Max Weight: 175.1gr
Diameter: 21.1cm
Height: 1.6cm
Rim Depth: 1.1cm
Rim Thickness: 2.0cm
Inside Rim Diameter: 17.1cm
Rim Depth / Diameter Ratio: 5.2%
Rim Configuration: 28.25
Flexibility: 10.09kg

Crave:

Max Weight: 175.1gr
Diameter: 21.1cm
Height: 1.4cm
Rim Depth: 1.2cm
Rim Thickness: 1.8cm
Inside Rim Diameter: 17.4cm
Rim Depth / Diameter Ratio: 5.7%
Rim Configuration: 27.75
Flexibility: 9.98kg

Teebird 3:

Max Weight: 176.0gr
Diameter: 21.2cm
Height: 1.7cm
Rim Depth: 1.1cm
Rim Thickness: 1.8cm
Inside Rim Diameter: 17.5cm
Rim Depth / Diameter Ratio: 5.2%
Rim Configuration: 29.25
Flexibility: 9.41kg

Thunderbird:

Max Weight: 176.0gr
Diameter: 21.2cm
Height: 1.6cm
Rim Depth: 1.1cm
Rim Thickness: 1.9cm
Inside Rim Diameter: 17.3cm
Rim Depth / Diameter Ratio: 5.2%
Rim Configuration: 31.00
Flexibility: 6.46kg

Teebird:

Max Weight: 176.0gr
Diameter: 21.2cm
Height: 1.5cm
Rim Depth: 1.1cm
Rim Thickness: 1.7cm
Inside Rim Diameter: 17.8cm
Rim Depth / Diameter Ratio: 5.2%
Rim Configuration: 29.25
Flexibility: 7.83kg

Teebird L

Max Weight: 175.1gr
Diameter: 21.1cm
Height: 1.6cm
Rim Depth: 1.2cm
Rim Thickness: 1.8cm
Inside Rim Diameter: 17.5cm
Rim Depth / Diameter Ratio: 5.7%
Rim Configuration: 33.00
Flexibility: 12.25kg


Again, my finding is the Crave is most like the Teebird L - or for us old farts, the SE Teebird. Great long distance fairway or line shaper - but not a wind disc. The Volt's rim thickness and inside Rim diameter puts it more in the range of the Thunderbird - not the Teebird. I can't say I've ever thrown a Thunderbird.

Anyway, I've long argued that MVP was missing a Teebird in it's line-up. If the Servo were about .2cm taller, it'd probably fill that role. All that said - I'm hopeful one of the upcoming fairways fills that role. We'll see:

Cypher:

Max Weight: 176.0gr
Diameter: 21.2cm
Height: 1.5cm
Rim Depth: 1.2cm
Rim Thickness: 1.8cm
Inside Rim Diameter: 17.6cm
Rim Depth / Diameter Ratio: 5.7%
Rim Configuration: 31.00
Flexibility: 11.25kg

Rhythm:

Max Weight: 176.0gr
Diameter: 21.2cm
Height: 1.5cm
Rim Depth: 1.2cm
Rim Thickness: 1.8cm
Inside Rim Diameter: 17.6cm
Rim Depth / Diameter Ratio: 5.7%
Rim Configuration: 30.25
Flexibility: 11.93kg

 

[ThrowaEnvy]

I like it.. "Just the facts ma'an"

Haha I should check my plh's as well. Haha I had awful luck with my one servo as well, super beefy. I've had Teebird and Volts that ran the full gamut of stability... I think MVPs new molding is going to be more consistent and true to the mold, whatever that means. I still regret not fishing that teebird out of the yard when the machine showed up to build the burm, but I thought it was my leopard haha. It's buried under there somewhere! The ultimate sacrifice. And the other one I lost at the airport....

 

[pjhayes7]

Again, my finding is the Crave is most like the Teebird L - or for us old farts, the SE Teebird. Great long distance fairway or line shaper - but not a wind disc. The Volt's rim thickness and inside Rim diameter puts it more in the range of the Thunderbird - not the Teebird. I can't say I've ever thrown a Thunderbird.

Anyway, I've long argued that MVP was missing a Teebird in it's line-up. If the Servo were about .2cm taller, it'd probably fill that role. All that said - I'm hopeful one of the upcoming fairways fills that role. We'll see:

I don't own a Volt, but have thrown one my buddy has back to back with my Thunderbird. They have virtually the same flight and very similar feel. Outside of the Envy, I think these two molds are the best new molds in the last 10 years. So you are correct, the Volt is definitely not a Teebird. You could potentially throw it in the Teebird slot, but it is noticeably faster as you would expect with the rim width difference.

 

[brutalbrutus]

In my limited experience with the Servo, it's more like a fresh Champion Eagle. Has a bit of turn and then a dumpy fade.

 

[Jacobpaul81]

In my limited experience with the Servo, it's more like a fresh Champion Eagle. Has a bit of turn and then a dumpy fade.

I would agree 100% with you there. A Teebird doesn't turn. I'll just add - the Servos i've thrown had zero wind resistance. I'd throw them out here on the prairie holes and watch them flip in a cross like they were -4. Really reliable woods driver - but not different enough for me to carry them and craves - and the crave has other uses on an open course.

 

[mas30066]

Watermelon Jolly Rancher to start the weekend

 

[mas30066]

Meant to drop this in the Hex thread. Apologies. Crave coming Monday.

 

[ThrowaEnvy]

Meant to drop this in the Hex thread. Apologies. Crave coming Monday.

That's cool dude, still a sweet looking disc... and you already posted that yesterday so oops. But not?! Haha it's cool

Yeah i never picked up the crave love, I tried some people have had great results with em. I had a totally different experience with the Servo. Didn't help that it came warped, didn't help that I'm old.... Not baggage.. Haha baggable.. It's baggage dumped it like a plasma tesla, not for me, "thank you come again!"

The eclipse's still sit around for night rounds that I barely play but hey glow gyro is glow gyro...

 

[ThrowaEnvy]

Hey nm$ the timestamp adds up haha I just didn't check this thread... who throws a crave anyhow

I'm like 8 beers in$$ Who Wants a Scrap!!?

 

[Nght12]

Are the Hokom tour series Craves different … flatter, more OS, etc?

I have couple of Neutron's and love them. Basically 300' lasers.

For me the Hokom craves are pretty normal craves. If you're looking for a more OS crave, you want a cosmic neutron.