When I started playing about 15 years ago, there weren't the number of high speed discs that there are today. I learned to play with a Roc and an Aviar. I think I had a Discraft X2 after going to a Scott Stokely clinic, and I was amazed at the "speed" that it came out of my hand. I watched him crush effortless forehands with that disc and was sold. But sadly the quest for distance hurt my game more than helped. To this day, I have a hard time throwing anything faster than speed 9. Big rimmed drivers just don't fit my grip very well. After years of trying all of the new discs as they come out I'm back to throwing "fairways" for distance. My suggestion is to match a disc to your arm speed and snap. By that I mean, finding a disc in your sweet spot, or a driver that doesn't exhibit too much low speed fade thrown at line drive height. You will be so much happier. To this day, all of my friends with their Destroyers and Nukes laugh at my bag make up, until I put a seasoned Roc past them on an open hole. Just my 2c