NEED HELP

[nothingbutchains]

Hey Everyone. This is my first year playing this sport. I need some tips on how to get my drives out a little further than i do. I know i need to work on my form a little more. Some drives i can get out to about 275 but most are around 250 range. I throw RBH. I been trying to stick with my MID's a lot more lately because i feel drivers are to fast for me yet. Right now i have been throwing a buzz,comet,and stratus,aviar,and roc. Drivers that i have are champ-valkyrie,champ leopard,champ-teebird,z-express,dx-beast. sometimes i get my form down good and throw about 315 to 330. So if you all have any tips that would be great Thanks.

 

[Donovan]

Driving with Dan Beto

 

[NateDiscFlip]

Go to the Field

Go to a field where you can tee off on concete....and a huge bonus would be to be somewhat elevated....the elevation will make up for release errors.

Next...make sure you have the disc about chest to shoulder high when you pull back and when you release. Many new players pull from their waist, and release by their shoulders.....guess where the disc is going....str8 UP!

Next....make sure you are cocking your wrist down....many players do not realize that if the nose of the disc is exposed, you will kill the distance and percision of your shot.....so if you tend to throw discs high....don't just point down....point your hand down....may feel uncomfortable at first.

Next...you need good transition. For beginners, I recommend throwing why you stand still. Try to just pull from A too B.....If forward is 12 o'clock, you want to reach from 7 to 11 o'clock in your pull. Try NOT to think snap......just QUICKLY pull the disc from point A to point B (IMPORTANT-pull as str8 a line as you can).....remember....wrist down so the nose of the disc is down....Two fingers on the disc is usually adequate to pull this off. Grip and snap are a good fundamentals to have for controlling your disc...but being able to produce speed is much more important when you are just learning. When you pull through....think of a gradually increasing the speed in your hand and body. (I recommend a Buzz to just get started....but try a Pro, Star, or Champion Beast) The Beast is fast, and has a good balance of high and low stability, making it a good disc to yank on with little need for snap.

"I like to use the girl analogy of reaching back on the bar to grab a drink and someone grabs your buttox....you are mad as you slowly wind up knowing that when you pull your backhand to the respected face, the last second will be the focal point of the b*tch slap...in other words...they will think twice about touchin your behind....hope that makes sense."

Next...This is hard to explain, but you need to understand an "X" step. I use a four-step "X" Step....some people use three....some use five.....To me, three is too little, five is too much. Check out a video online about appropriate steps through the shot.

Next....This is a good strategy to explain better extension....whereever you are firing away, aim your feet forward, the disc with appropriate grip in your hand, and hold the disc in the position of where you want to release. Next....start your "X"step.....but leave the disc in the same spot.....until you stop your foot, open your hips....THEN....dragging your shoulder is when you should start moving the disc that should still be stationary or where you first aimed at the target.....

If you find yourself moving your disc before this point....your steps are too big.....smaller and slower steps are always better until you are comfortable.

Last bit of advice....try to make sure your pivot leg....which BETTER be your right leg is str8 up and down(lateral like a ballerina) to your head and shoulders.....you do not want to be pulling through when your pelvis is between your two feet....generally this means you have too big of a last step....or your transition of inertia from your foot to pelvis to should, to elbow, to hand is off.

Lastly....lol.....make sure your thumb nail is matching the initial position it started in.....and that you are allowing your hand to stop at that point.....the end result should be you pivoting on your right foot...while the disc snaps out of your hand....while your hand should literally hit you somewhere on your back or butt......


Trust the disc will release....like a baby without a seat belt on....you are simply the car that hit the brick wall...keep in mind...the throw should be crisp and beautiful, but your body motion should look rather "violent but well timed"....like a pitcher in the major league......all the speed is in the last second....and the inertia from the throw makes the pitcher nearly fall over....

Think SPEED and FINESSE rather than MUSCLE and SNAP....GL...:hfive:


Oh yeah...play with and watch good players who like to give advice...YouTube is nice, but nothing beats execution in the flesh!


Sorry...one last thing....Get a STALKER...and never let it go!

 

[Lithicon]

Some of the post above is correct, but... Most of it doesn't make sense and parts are wrong. But....

If you're throwing less than 300' consistently you've got a lot of basics to work on. (Meaning, that the majority of your throws are under 300'.) The first post made in this thread is a GREAT place to start. The Dan Beto vids are great. I suggest working in a field doing stuff from the Beto vids while working with your mids and putters. Don't even bother with drivers for now. You'll benefit more throwing slower disc. There is a lot in throwing that will come from practice. The basics you'll learn by just simply going into a field and working on it. You'll figure little things out by yourself, and getting a feel for throwing. When you're surpassing 350 you'll start to need some more advanced techniques and understanding in how to throw properly. It'll help if you use the search function on this site and find some of the threads already written. (as people have written some good articles here.)

 

[teebob]

The best advice I can give you is to just go practice and play a lot. Reading all this stuff is as over rated as a lot of scratch players.

 

[hewittdallas]

I am in about the exact same scenario as the OP and found that playing a full 18 holes with just a Roc and Banger-GT today was an amazing learning experience. I think in one night I have already matched the range of my mids to most of my drivers.

For me, even when I am playing by myself, there is always this pressure to throw a driver far. When playing with only mids, I felt much more relaxed and able to focus on grip and release. And not surprisingly, this resulted in more distance. That may not be the case for everyone, but just like ball golf a lot of this game is mental.

 

[NateDiscFlip]

My minions think differently :thmbup:

Some of the post above is correct, but... Most of it doesn't make sense and parts are wrong. But....

If you're throwing less than 300' consistently you've got a lot of basics to work on. (Meaning, that the majority of your throws are under 300'.) The first post made in this thread is a GREAT place to start. The Dan Beto vids are great. I suggest working in a field doing stuff from the Beto vids while working with your mids and putters. Don't even bother with drivers for now. You'll benefit more throwing slower disc. There is a lot in throwing that will come from practice. The basics you'll learn by just simply going into a field and working on it. You'll figure little things out by yourself, and getting a feel for throwing. When you're surpassing 350 you'll start to need some more advanced techniques and understanding in how to throw properly. It'll help if you use the search function on this site and find some of the threads already written. (as people have written some good articles here.)

Hi Lith....sorry it doesn't make sense...but these are the same standards I give during lessons others pay me for. You wouldn't believe how many people I run into who are on the verge of giving the sport up, we meet for a lesson, and within a round...they're a whole new golfer. I am by far a scratch player as I teach other sports as well. I ain't trying to brag...but I critique players of all levels. How...I am a good learner/listener...and with a teaching degree and as a coach in wrestling I have a good understanding for getting learners to take in useful information. In regards to wrestling....body mechanics and balance are the basis.

Frankly, disc golf is the easiest sport I have ever learned...but I also had teachers who taught with the same back yard football mentality as I have explained above....it;s not for everyone, more specifically yourself. It's all good, cause why your commenting on how my ethics are incorrect...I am just getting paid...and people are getting better....don't hate the player....hate how I give the lesson$

Peace!opcorn:

 

[Lithicon]

It's not your method I don't like, It's more that you're giving bad information. As not everything you said was wrong, but parts were. So, if you're getting paid for your mental capabilities in turning people back onto the sport, that's fine. But, give good information when doing so. You're "playing" the system giving bad info to get paid. Most good players with correct information will gladly and FREELY give you hints and pointers. Lol, so don't think you're playing me.

You make it obvious you're about the money, just because someone that won't know any better if you're giving them good or bad info will pay you, doesn't make you right.

 

[BrotherDave]

Step 1: Watch Dan Beato (and other established pros like Climo) throw until you can see them in your sleep.

Step 2: Make sure you understand grip and (shoulder) plane fundamentals. Everything is fubar if you don't get this down first.

Step3: Watch Beato vid again, along with Bradley Walker's vids explaining snap.

Step4: Practice with mids (Comets), putters (Ions, Wizards) and slow drivers (Gazelles, Cyclones, Cheetahs) until practice makes perfect.

And yes, one disc rounds with a putter or mid are great practice.

 

[NateDiscFlip]

A rule to live by

It's not your method I don't like, It's more that you're giving bad information. As not everything you said was wrong, but parts were. So, if you're getting paid for your mental capabilities in turning people back onto the sport, that's fine. But, give good information when doing so. You're "playing" the system giving bad info to get paid. Most good players with correct information will gladly and FREELY give you hints and pointers. Lol, so don't think you're playing me.

You make it obvious you're about the money, just because someone that won't know any better if you're giving them good or bad info will pay you, doesn't make you right.

"You can never tell how far knowledge can travel"

but you would rather suggests "Parts"....which parts?...I care to let them know what's up. You would rather point out I am wrong...lacking specifics...that you might want me to clarify...considering YOUR the one who really cares. Truly, there is no money in coaching this sport, just in making, and marketing discs.

You would like to believe my info is bogis....it gives you more ground to fillbust the real concern....and that is FREE info....no one said they had to believe.....and no one said you had to comment....but now that you're so concerned....who are you more concerned about?....someone tired of giving free advice to those who want to know how to play(FREE ONLINE :thmbup....or are you just ranting because your game is weak and your teacher failed you...so you don't want others to progress beyond your plateau....

As for your claims about better golfers...most are d*cks anyways...which is the main reason I keep my money out of competitions....and make my money helping those struggling get better. You sound like the same guys I use to somewhat look up to....now they just leave in the middle of the round....as they are sick of seeing the rook just a chuggin on by. I don't need to watch a discraft how to video to be a better player...and who said these great players were the best teachers anyways....and who are you?....you still haven't made your point! aka "bad info"....I think I will have to charge you to better clarify my points....for the other guy its on the house.

And yes....teachers get paided, coaches get paided, and I even get money for lessons...it's America...what's the big deal?.....like I am supposed to meet someone through this network to get more work? Pffff!....I could care less....just something to fill my day....sorry for being concerned about helping others, and upsetting a few....cause they don't like the way I explain things...or what I stand for

As for people who come to me directly, cause they like my style and the way I explain things...should I start turning them down too...since I would be "playing the system"....sounds like I am talking to a socialist who wants everyone on the same level.

Isn't there people on this site that sell discs....aren't they playing the system? I can have all the discs in the world...but without the know how....it's just PLASTIC as you are just a filbuster trying to hate on someone who is trying to help.....

how bout we set up an appointment...you may just learn something...like shut up ya mouth...and see the light from all the bridges you are burning.

Just set back and enjoy the popcorn...and think your opinion matters...pal
opcorn:

 

[Pink Elephant]

By the way, it's hard to take you seriously when you said people get "paided". That is all.

*steps away*

 

[BrotherDave]

"You can never tell how far knowledge can travel"

but you would rather suggests "Parts"....which parts?...

I think he objects to your recommendation of throwing a Stalker. opcorn:

By the way, it's hard to take you seriously when you said people get "paided". That is all.

*steps away*

No way dude, don't you remember that awesome Eric B. and Rakim album back in the day, "Paided in Full?"

 

[Pink Elephant]

No way dude, don't you remember that awesome Eric B. and Rakim album back in the day, "Paided in Full?"

*Searches on Wikipedia*

Sorry man, wasn't born yet.

 

[Noill]

hee... i always think that these advice threads should be kept short or someone will always say that your advice stinks and ahh the drama... funny

Anyway, along with the Beato vid (probably the best approach out there on learning the basics of form) I'd recommend this guy's (Citysmasher1) vids on grip...
http://www.youtube.com/user/Citysmasher1#p/a/u/1/qGGYsSUGKXk
CitySmasher1's vids added an easy 30-50 feet for me in just a few days

 

[nothingbutchains]

Thanks everyone

Thanks everyone. That Dan video is very detailed. It is a very good video i must have sat there and watched it for a good hour. I cant wait to get out and try that on the feild. I think i was doing everything all wrong from the beginning. will see what happens and i will let you all know how i have improved my game.

 

[U_NICED_ME]

Driving with Dan Beto

Have you configured a DGCR rule that automatically posts a reply to this thread topic?

 

[garublador]

Next...make sure you have the disc about chest to shoulder high when you pull back and when you release. Many new players pull from their waist, and release by their shoulders.....guess where the disc is going....str8 UP!

This is only true if you don't get your weight forward and getting weight forward is important. If you do get your weight forward starting your pull lower will help get the nose down. Think of it this way, with your weight back you'll be forcing the nose of the disc upward (nose up); with your weight forward you'll be forcing the back of the disc upward (nose down).

Next....make sure you are cocking your wrist down....many players do not realize that if the nose of the disc is exposed, you will kill the distance and percision of your shot.....so if you tend to throw discs high....don't just point down....point your hand down....may feel uncomfortable at first.

100% agreed.

Next...you need good transition. For beginners, I recommend throwing why you stand still. Try to just pull from A too B.....If forward is 12 o'clock, you want to reach from 7 to 11 o'clock in your pull. Try NOT to think snap......just QUICKLY pull the disc from point A to point B (IMPORTANT-pull as str8 a line as you can).....remember....wrist down so the nose of the disc is down....Two fingers on the disc is usually adequate to pull this off. Grip and snap are a good fundamentals to have for controlling your disc...but being able to produce speed is much more important when you are just learning. When you pull through....think of a gradually increasing the speed in your hand and body. (I recommend a Buzz to just get started....but try a Pro, Star, or Champion Beast) The Beast is fast, and has a good balance of high and low stability, making it a good disc to yank on with little need for snap.

I'm not sure the wording is right (I don't like the use of the word "speed") but I think what you're trying to say is correct. Focusing on accelerating late is improtant. You want to be moving faster after the disc leaves your hand than before. How fast you're moving at the hit isn't nearly as important as how much you're accelerating. This is what the "right pec" drill from the Dan Beto video is trying to get across, too. I disagree with using a Beast for it, though.

"I like to use the girl analogy of reaching back on the bar to grab a drink and someone grabs your buttox....you are mad as you slowly wind up knowing that when you pull your backhand to the respected face, the last second will be the focal point of the b*tch slap...in other words...they will think twice about touchin your behind....hope that makes sense."

I don't visit those types of bars often enough to relate. Again, I think the point is late acceleration, which is really important. Slap through their face, don't just slap at their face.

Next...This is hard to explain, but you need to understand an "X" step. I use a four-step "X" Step....some people use three....some use five.....To me, three is too little, five is too much. Check out a video online about appropriate steps through the shot.

By definition, three steps is an x-step. Using the Dan Beto video to build it from the hit back is by far the easiest way to build one correctly.

Next....This is a good strategy to explain better extension....whereever you are firing away, aim your feet forward, the disc with appropriate grip in your hand, and hold the disc in the position of where you want to release. Next....start your "X"step.....but leave the disc in the same spot.....until you stop your foot, open your hips....THEN....dragging your shoulder is when you should start moving the disc that should still be stationary or where you first aimed at the target.

If you find yourself moving your disc before this point....your steps are too big.....smaller and slower steps are always better until you are comfortable. .....

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying to keep the disc foward, pointing at the target during the x-step? That would make the x-step useless. Are you saying not to start your pull until after you plant your pivot foot? That's absolutely correct. Starting your pull before or when you plant your pivot foot will probably lead to grip lock.

Last bit of advice....try to make sure your pivot leg....which BETTER be your right leg is str8 up and down(lateral like a ballerina) to your head and shoulders.....you do not want to be pulling through when your pelvis is between your two feet....generally this means you have too big of a last step....or your transition of inertia from your foot to pelvis to should, to elbow, to hand is off.

100% agreement here, too. This is what I mean when I say "weight forward."

Lastly....lol.....make sure your thumb nail is matching the initial position it started in.....and that you are allowing your hand to stop at that point.....the end result should be you pivoting on your right foot...while the disc snaps out of your hand....while your hand should literally hit you somewhere on your back or butt......

I'm not sure what you mean about stopping the hand, but I think the thumbnail part might be talking about not rolling your wrist, which is important to be able to control. I agree about when the pivot happens, too.

Trust the disc will release....like a baby without a seat belt on....you are simply the car that hit the brick wall...keep in mind...the throw should be crisp and beautiful, but your body motion should look rather "violent but well timed"....like a pitcher in the major league......all the speed is in the last second....and the inertia from the throw makes the pitcher nearly fall over....

Think SPEED and FINESSE rather than MUSCLE and SNAP....GL...:hfive:

Again, acceleration is more important than speed, but saying it should be late is correct. If you only focus on speed then you could reach peak speed before the hit and maintain it through the hit and still do what you're suggesting. That won't lead to snap and will limit how far you throw. Reaching peak acceleration at the hit will generate a ton more power even if the speed is lower.

 

[rhino21]

As always- good advice here. Now I just need to learn some of it.
I hate throwing like a noob. :|

 

[NateDiscFlip]

Thanks for the positive critique!

This is only true if you don't get your weight forward and getting weight forward is important. If you do get your weight forward starting your pull lower will help get the nose down. Think of it this way, with your weight back you'll be forcing the nose of the disc upward (nose up); with your weight forward you'll be forcing the back of the disc upward (nose down).

100% agreed.

I'm not sure the wording is right (I don't like the use of the word "speed") but I think what you're trying to say is correct. Focusing on accelerating late is improtant. You want to be moving faster after the disc leaves your hand than before. How fast you're moving at the hit isn't nearly as important as how much you're accelerating. This is what the "right pec" drill from the Dan Beto video is trying to get across, too. I disagree with using a Beast for it, though.

I don't visit those types of bars often enough to relate. Again, I think the point is late acceleration, which is really important. Slap through their face, don't just slap at their face.

By definition, three steps is an x-step. Using the Dan Beto video to build it from the hit back is by far the easiest way to build one correctly.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying to keep the disc foward, pointing at the target during the x-step? That would make the x-step useless. Are you saying not to start your pull until after you plant your pivot foot? That's absolutely correct. Starting your pull before or when you plant your pivot foot will probably lead to grip lock.


100% agreement here, too. This is what I mean when I say "weight forward."

I'm not sure what you mean about stopping the hand, but I think the thumbnail part might be talking about not rolling your wrist, which is important to be able to control. I agree about when the pivot happens, too.


Again, acceleration is more important than speed, but saying it should be late is correct. If you only focus on speed then you could reach peak speed before the hit and maintain it through the hit and still do what you're suggesting. That won't lead to snap and will limit how far you throw. Reaching peak acceleration at the hit will generate a ton more power even if the speed is lower.

Never hurts to better explain the points(which I felt were valid) through someone else's point of view. As you added your own input, that I found helpful in being able to better explain my understandings. Thanks on helping those in need!....gl... and may the aces rain on your game!

 

[Technohic]

Important thing to remember is; it does take time. Dont try to push to increase distance "right now" and get frustrated when you dont get it so quick. Work on your form and throw discs that are in your ability but make sure you are having fun.

I have a habit of trying to push it and make it a study more than a sport a lot and what I have learned is, there is a time to work on form and make corrections, but there always has to be a time where you just let go and enjoy the round.