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All 540 members contributed money and/or time to build those courses?
...Everyone seems to have the $ to show up at the local FREE course with the latest new $120 DG bag, the latest new discs at $17 each, a Qdoba bag lunch, a 6 pack of microbrew, a pack of smokes, and an ounce of MJ, while talking about the concert/movie/game/etc they are going to go to tonight, but GOD forbid we (tax-payers) ask them to pay a few of those dollars they supposedly don't have, on the upkeep of a huge plot of Our (tax-payers) land. Try to go and find something else you can do for free on 25 acres of someones land, that they have spent countless hours, and 20 thousand dollars creating this "something" for you to do. Please let me know how that works out for you. Get real PP :doh:.
These are good points, however, I am letting my idealism get the best of me here. I do not deny that free courses are out there. Or that you could haul a practice basket around a public park and make your own course. When I was introduced to disc golf, I was under the impression that being free was just part of the game. I understand that it costs money to take care of courses, I do. I simply believe there are other ways to earn an income without charging for play directly.
My worry is that pay to play courses will become so prevalent that in 20 years, any course worth playing will cost $10 a round plus. At that point for me the sport is ruined. It's not always about playing the fanciest best maintained courses. Sometimes you just want to play. Some people will certainly disagree with me for this, but I golf for fun. If I have to wait a few minutes for some newer players in front of me to finish, I don't care. If the grass on the fairways is shin-high, it's fine with me. Winning and keeping score can be fun, but they are certainly not at the top of my priority list. Having a well manicured course is awesome, but is it worth the risk of losing something that truly made this sport different? My personal golf goal is to play as many courses worldwide as possible. But if I end up spending my life savings just because some golfers don't want to play with inexperienced people on the course, well that sucks.
And as far as the "if you don't want to pay then don't play those courses" argument... come on really? That's like the old tired "if you don't like this country you can get out" argument. Of course I want to play those courses too. And if I have to pay I probably will. But that doesn't change the fact that all of this is escalating to a point where there will be no more free courses worth playing. I'm not really complaining, I'm just trying to do what I can to save the game I love.
I think you need to stop being such an elitist and realize you are not the king of the world.
BTW, love is free, but you probably feel the need to pay for that too.
On pay to play on public land.
I play on "public land" which is tax payer land. It takes a good chunk of it to put in an 18 basket course and the baskets, tees and signs cost money. Maintenance costs money too.
I pay taxes. No need to list them all. They're the ones we all pay.
The courses I play are not restricted to DG only. They have walking paths on them. Should people pay a fee to walk the paths? They have playgrounds. Should people pay a fee to play on them? If people want to come to the park and just walk around in the woods, should they pay a fee for that? How about a dog walking fee? Or a fee for some kids tossing a football back and forth? Picnic fees? Bird watching fees? If not, why should DGers pay a fee for our activity when others are not paying fees for theirs?
If we did have to pay a fee to play DG in a public park, I'd expect that course to be DG only with no walking paths cutting through them. No nothing but DG. That and a bunch of fees to use public parks is not going to fly well with the tax paying public.
Making public park DG courses pay to play may turn into a good way to get rid of them. I suspect a good number of non DGers would vote to get rid of the courses so the park would be for everyone again and not just for DGers. And if they get rid of that usage fee, maybe they can get rid of the rest of them too. I mean, hey, there were no fees before DG. DG is what brought the fees. DG is gone. The fees should now be gone too.
Disneyland should be free, too. And apple products. And that 24 hour fitness they built on what used to be public land.
Disc Golf is free in some places and p2p in others. We should be happy to have such variety in our sport. Bolfers ALWAYS pay. Even to practice. Sheesh!
I'm curious, how many out there know of or have p2p courses in public parks? I don't recall ever seeing this, outside of courses in state parks that charge a use fee for day use. I have seen a few "suggested donation" boxes but thats about it.
I'm curious, how many out there know of or have p2p courses in public parks? I don't recall ever seeing this, outside of courses in state parks that charge a use fee for day use. I have seen a few "suggested donation" boxes but thats about it.
Disneyland should be free, too. And apple products. And that 24 hour fitness they built on what used to be public land.
Disc Golf is free in some places and p2p in others. We should be happy to have such variety in our sport. Bolfers ALWAYS pay. Even to practice. Sheesh!
Have you considered that those things aren't fine with everyone, therefore that conundrum creates a marketplace for courses for players who are willing to pay not to deal with them, all while leaving more free course space for you?
Absolutely. The whole courses are free thing is a quirk of the sport being so obscure that there wasn't enough of a market to charge for it. The times they are a changing.
Hmm, that sounds more like a personal choice that one doesn't have to make. Might as well suggest that we let you have free gas getting to all those courses while you're at it.
No it isn't because if you don't want to pay, you're still welcome in about 86% of our "country", and while pay courses are likely to become more prevalent, I doubt they're ever going to replace most of the existing free ones.
Once you start paying and see the other side of the coin, I think you'll get over that.
Sure as hell sounds like it.
My advice would be to quit acting like an entitlement oriented douche who thinks that free disc golf is a birthright.