Just got a 172 champ tern. Had some testing with it yesterday and I really like it. I was comparing it with my most stable king, a 172 vip, which is my go to disc for distance. My king in calm conditions is money, nice subtle turn, then good forward fade. In a bit of a headwind, the king will turn a little too much, losing some accuracy. I was hoping the tern at 172 in champ plastic would hold up better in headwinds than my king and it delivered pretty well. Heavy headwinds, no way, but medium headwinds it was a better option than my king. I have 350-375 ft of power and it will turn slightly, then a nice late forward fade. Very nice disc, already made the bag