Necro!
So unfortunately for me I lost my most beat, perfect hyzerflip to whatever I wanted it to do Roc. I tried to buy a used one the same weight, not quite there yet, tried a QMS, not enough or the right kind of flip. After these failed attempts to get close enough until my other 2 rocs get in the zone, I resigned myself to just throwing forehands, and trying to make due with putters on those straight mid shots. While I love a classic aviar for dead straight flights, they need a little more height to get there, and sometimes a left to right shot is just better as a backhand turnover.
Yesterday I was going out to play my favorite wooded course (ditto in Hagerstown, md) and decided to give the tursas that's been sitting in my disc rack another try. I got it used a while back, 173g tournament plastic. I threw it a bit and liked it but didn't click with it better than that magic roc. As fate would have it, I clicked with it yesterday. Nipped chain on two drives, one a dead straight downhill tunnel with a low ceiling and pretty narrow gap, the other a 280' gradual bend to the right finishing about 40-50' right of the tee. Both holes were beat roc shots, but this thing did just what I wanted and flew pretty damn close to that beat ass roc on these, and other occasions as well.
Pros: comfortable hand feel and good plastic. Smooth, controllable flippiness without being too wild. Releases clean, likes a smooth throwing motion. Straight hyzerflip are easy, turnovers are also easy. Not super nose angle sensitive, but sensitive enough.
Cons: doesn't pan back to flat on a big turnover like a beat stable disc will, more sensitive to gusts and wind variation. It's not a beat roc, which is a perfect disc.
Overall it's not perfect, but it's damn good. Good enough to stay bagged until I get a roc or two back into that spot. And it's the closest I've come to an ace in quite a while, still hunting that first one. I'll take nipping chains and a 5' putt every damn time though.