ManU
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I think a couple of pages back someone mentioned that the prod runs are less stable than the FR
but I am going on memory and not personal experience
but I am going on memory and not personal experience
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I've thrown all 3 types and the stability (for me) goes from:ManU said:I think a couple of pages back someone mentioned that the prod runs are less stable than the FR
but I am going on memory and not personal experience
I'd say that Oct-Dec or Spring would be the best time of year. Contrary to popular belief, Dallas gets "cold" in the winter, we'll probably get snow once or twice a year, so winter isn't exactly ideal. I put cold in finger quotes bc I grew up in Connecticut and went to college in Indiana... cold is a relative term.Mark Ellis said:StumperTX said:Thanks Mark, I appreciate the feedback - I think this is the thread you where looking for (re: elbow close): http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=179
If you're ever in the Dallas-Ft Worth area (for a tourney or other reason) shoot me a pm, my wife and I will take you out to dinner/drinks
StumperTX, thanks for the offer. While I have no Texas plans at the moment, I will work on building up a hunger and thirst to rival your generosity.
Definitely don't agree with the HSS. At least my yellow FR Nuke is way more HSS than a Katana, which I rated at -2,5.StumperTX said:Back to the Nuke -- What are the "Universal" stats for a (FR) Nuke? If I was going to guess, I'd say something like Speed: 13, Glide: 5, HSS: -3 to -4, LSS/Fade: 2
Yeah, I haven't thrown the Katana yet, but the Nuke is flippier than a Wraith, which itself is much less HSS than the Boss I carry. It's possible that I have a freak Boss that's ridiculously HSS (I think this is probably the case) which is shifting my perspective on this.jubuttib said:Definitely don't agree with the HSS. At least my yellow FR Nuke is way more HSS than a Katana, which I rated at -2,5.StumperTX said:Back to the Nuke -- What are the "Universal" stats for a (FR) Nuke? If I was going to guess, I'd say something like Speed: 13, Glide: 5, HSS: -3 to -4, LSS/Fade: 2
My Nuke is also more HSS than any Wraith/DD I've thrown. Go figure. =)StumperTX said:Yeah, I haven't thrown the Katana yet, but the Nuke is flippier than a Wraith, which itself is much less HSS than the Boss I carry. It's possible that I have a freak Boss that's ridiculously HSS (I think this is probably the case) which is shifting my perspective on this.jubuttib said:Definitely don't agree with the HSS. At least my yellow FR Nuke is way more HSS than a Katana, which I rated at -2,5.StumperTX said:Back to the Nuke -- What are the "Universal" stats for a (FR) Nuke? If I was going to guess, I'd say something like Speed: 13, Glide: 5, HSS: -3 to -4, LSS/Fade: 2
jubuttib said:My Nuke is also more HSS than any Wraith/DD I've thrown. Go figure. =)StumperTX said:Yeah, I haven't thrown the Katana yet, but the Nuke is flippier than a Wraith, which itself is much less HSS than the Boss I carry. It's possible that I have a freak Boss that's ridiculously HSS (I think this is probably the case) which is shifting my perspective on this.jubuttib said:Definitely don't agree with the HSS. At least my yellow FR Nuke is way more HSS than a Katana, which I rated at -2,5.StumperTX said:Back to the Nuke -- What are the "Universal" stats for a (FR) Nuke? If I was going to guess, I'd say something like Speed: 13, Glide: 5, HSS: -3 to -4, LSS/Fade: 2
I also seem to have a freaky Star Boss, it's the most overstable thing I've ever seen anywhere. Not even howling headwinds can make it go straight. I need to get a Champ Boss to try out sometimes...
JR said:jubuttib said:My Nuke is also more HSS than any Wraith/DD I've thrown. Go figure. =)StumperTX said:Yeah, I haven't thrown the Katana yet, but the Nuke is flippier than a Wraith, which itself is much less HSS than the Boss I carry. It's possible that I have a freak Boss that's ridiculously HSS (I think this is probably the case) which is shifting my perspective on this.jubuttib said:Definitely don't agree with the HSS. At least my yellow FR Nuke is way more HSS than a Katana, which I rated at -2,5.StumperTX said:Back to the Nuke -- What are the "Universal" stats for a (FR) Nuke? If I was going to guess, I'd say something like Speed: 13, Glide: 5, HSS: -3 to -4, LSS/Fade: 2
I also seem to have a freaky Star Boss, it's the most overstable thing I've ever seen anywhere. Not even howling headwinds can make it go straight. I need to get a Champ Boss to try out sometimes...
Don't get a clear yellow champ then because the real freak overstable ones like Piippo threw FH at Tali Open finals on regular hole 1, which was the first one of the monster FH driveson the video, are considered the most overstable Bosses out there.
I agree that my no first run stamp Nuke is much more HSS than Katanas. Even the US Masters Champ that is more HSS than other Katanas.
ChrisWoj said:All this color/run debate is easily fixed by a good amount of tuning. Tuning a disc truly works. All Destroyers, as my best example, have the same general flight path. But some come out flippier than others sometimes by a wide margin. Same flight path, but with more or less high speed stability. Tuning my discs, however, allows me to (with minimal effort) get them all to the same familiar stability. It works the same with Discraft, Innova, or Gateway discs for me.
As for the Ville Pippo discussion (which I hadn't had time to get into until now) - I throw my forehands out about 460 on a golf line right now, about 10 feet off the ground at the highest point, and Bennett has me by a wide margin. I haven't seen Ville throw in person, but I agree with Mark - Ville may be an athletic person (though he appears to be more "fit" than "athletic" - big BIG difference), but he doesn't appear to have athletic form. He doesn't bring his whole lower body into his shots, he relies heavily on his arm speed from the elbow out with minimal contributions from his legs, torso, and upper arm (I say minimal because he clearly has SOME leg push, but it clearly isn't a lot).
He may have a bigger arm than Bennett or Koling, I can't say for certain having not seen them all. But from what I have seen - 475 on a low golf line isn't going to touch Geoff right now I don't think.
-Chris.
You're not getting the difference between fit and athletic. Muscles and large forearms don't make you athletic. I know a lot of guys that are absolute beasts, with well developed muscular bodies - but they're not athletic.JR said:ChrisWoj said:All this color/run debate is easily fixed by a good amount of tuning. Tuning a disc truly works. All Destroyers, as my best example, have the same general flight path. But some come out flippier than others sometimes by a wide margin. Same flight path, but with more or less high speed stability. Tuning my discs, however, allows me to (with minimal effort) get them all to the same familiar stability. It works the same with Discraft, Innova, or Gateway discs for me.
As for the Ville Pippo discussion (which I hadn't had time to get into until now) - I throw my forehands out about 460 on a golf line right now, about 10 feet off the ground at the highest point, and Bennett has me by a wide margin. I haven't seen Ville throw in person, but I agree with Mark - Ville may be an athletic person (though he appears to be more "fit" than "athletic" - big BIG difference), but he doesn't appear to have athletic form. He doesn't bring his whole lower body into his shots, he relies heavily on his arm speed from the elbow out with minimal contributions from his legs, torso, and upper arm (I say minimal because he clearly has SOME leg push, but it clearly isn't a lot).
He may have a bigger arm than Bennett or Koling, I can't say for certain having not seen them all. But from what I have seen - 475 on a low golf line isn't going to touch Geoff right now I don't think.
-Chris.
Ville has played with Geoff at USDGC IIRC. Was Geoff healthy back then because Ville wasn't impressed? Me and mafa from this board have noticed that Ville is primarily arm sidearmer. I haven't talked to Ville about this but I think Ville is in his own realm like Källström is in backhand. So the same rules don't apply to them as to other players. Meaning that I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ville is using approach form for most shots due to increased accuracy. Or perhaps he doesn't think that strokes are fewer with added D. I wouldn't think that Ville isn't able to utilize the lower body more if he needed to.
Make no mistake Ville is athletic. To think he's only fit shows you haven't met him. Muscles and especially large tendons in the forearm. Big time. He's between Avery and Källström Markus being the most muscular player I have met. But some muscle groups may be larger with Ville.
Ville is a javelin thrower. 'Nuff said.ChrisWoj said:You're not getting the difference between fit and athletic. Muscles and large forearms don't make you athletic. I know a lot of guys that are absolute beasts, with well developed muscular bodies - but they're not athletic.