Where does all the am money go in tournments

[natedg1976]

You know at first this thread peaved me. But then I got to thinking. Why do I play dg? Because I love it. If some person is gonna go through the effort and work to host an event, I am gonna be happy with whatever I get for my entry fee. Hell I have never played a tourney, and trophy only is fine with me. If I dont place I dont deserve squat. A player pack is just an added perk. Maybe it is because I am older(37), maybe its just cause I was raised right, but if someone is gonna work to put on an event, they deserve to make something. I sure as hell dont work for free, why should a TD. Some of this entitlement shiz is because young folk (25 and under) have had eveything handed to them. They dont get that you work for what you have because mommy and daddy gave them whatever the hell they wanted. Us older guys get it. We have worked our butts off for what we have, know the value of a dollar and dont want shiz for free. /rant.

 

[HiFi]

You forgot to tell them to get off your lawn.

 

[natedg1976]

DG is played over these huge swathes of land where it is difficult to understand who might be winning at any given moment.

And golf is not? The problem of drugs, alcohol and counterculture remains. Last season, my six year old nephew wanted to learn the game. The day I took him oit two drunk dgers got in a fight and I found a used needle on my course. Those two things made me question if this sport could go mainstream. Here I am with the next generation and people are fighting and som smack junkie thought it was okay to drop his damn needle on the course. Thats how we get a bad name and the shiz happens daily around the country.

Until we as a whole say enough, it is time to clean up our image this sport will not be mainstream. In a way if it does not go mainstteam I am ok with that, but the.image still needs to change.

 

[Improbably]

In a way if it does not go mainstteam I am ok with that, but the.image still needs to change.

I am very happy for disc golf not to go mainstream. Growth of disc golf can be good, professionalization of disc golf I find reprehensible.

 

[sidewinder22]

And golf is not? The problem of drugs, alcohol and counterculture remains. Last season, my six year old nephew wanted to learn the game. The day I took him oit two drunk dgers got in a fight and I found a used needle on my course. Those two things made me question if this sport could go mainstream. Here I am with the next generation and people are fighting and som smack junkie thought it was okay to drop his damn needle on the course. Thats how we get a bad name and the shiz happens daily around the country.

Until we as a whole say enough, it is time to clean up our image this sport will not be mainstream. In a way if it does not go mainstteam I am ok with that, but the.image still needs to change.

You sure they were dgers? You can find those things in many parks that don't have dg, among many other places.

You know why ball golf doesn't see that?....


















Pay to play.

 

[AndyJB]

Want to really get your blood boiling? Play a KPDGA tournament in Korea. Never will you see such a mess of payouts. They take all extra money from Ams and push it to the pros...because they pay out foreigners and Koreans.

I'll explain:

At Nationals, top four were foreigners. They were paid out.
Then, the EXACT SAME AMOUNTS were paid out to the top four Koreans, who got fifth, seventh, eighth and eleventh. So, fifth got the same as 1st, etc.

Ams got very nice trophies and a 150 class dx disc. I would have rather had just the trophy, haha.

So compared to that, payouts for American events are downright sensible.

 

[paulw]

Since disc golfers on dg message boards have been having this same discussion for as long as there's been message boards about disc golf little has changed.

. . .

This thread does remind of the good ol' days of message boarding when sandbagging was the next hot topic, followed closely by our drug image, then getting women in the sport, then the next farther flying teebird disc, then .. . well, at least we don't that nonsense anymore!!

Didn't we skip the sandbagging argument, or did I miss it? I'll re-read the middle pages later, bring on the "getting women in the sport"!!

Shocked -- I'm shocked this is where this thread went!!

 

[1978]

Every sport has issues and many are more serious. Ever seen "Basketball Diaries"? What about all those NFL and NBA players that get arrested for beating their women, skipping child support, DUI? I know some pro triathletes that are alcoholics and put alcohol in their water bottle.

Can you imagine what moms think about their kids riding a bicycle? That sport is an infestation of blood doping.

Yawn. I'm not concerned with other sports. Every sport has its fair share of abusers and violent people. Imagine if there was enough media coverage to dig into our pro's lives LOL! Do we not remember one of our pros tried to run over someone with a van!? If you are going to compare the bad, then compare the good. Our pros are pathetic, self absorbed, and lazy compared with the most generous professional atheletes in other sports. They are probably boring and calm compared to the most violent and destructive also. Who cares? What I know is that if I ride my bike on a MT Bike trail, go play tennis, golf at a course, or play basketball on MOST courts in America...I wont come across someone openly "partaking." I could find in less than an hour, on a disc golf course, that happening. Infact it is out in the open. Don't try to act like it isnt engrained in the culture. How many idiots on this very site have a pot leaf for an avatar or carry a died disc, or specifically buy 2 piece mini's to hold their stash. How many tournaments B-Tier and above do you have to have to go to where people ASK in the middle of the round if they can light up. WHAT!? What does the parking lot smell like in between rounds...or the bathroom. It is everywhere and it is generally accepted by players.

To you losers ... do your thing, I dont care, but do it in your own space on your own time and keep if off the course. You dont need to flaunt it, you are not cool, you are a loser... look I typed 420... now I am cool. I should wait until 4:20 on 4/20 to type 420...whoaaa radical dude.

I DONT CARE if softball players are littering drunks. I CARE when disc golfers are, period. If you care about the sport then you should care too. If you care about softball...go on their forums and complain about drinking in the parking lot.

 

[1978]

Didn't we skip the sandbagging argument, or did I miss it? I'll re-read the middle pages later, bring on the "getting women in the sport"!!

Shocked -- I'm shocked this is where this thread went!!

Im apparently a sand bagger. There now we have covered it.

 

[Harrishabitat]

Yawn. I'm not concerned with other sports. Every sport has its fair share of abusers and violent people. Imagine if there was enough media coverage to dig into our pro's lives LOL! Do we not remember one of our pros tried to run over someone with a van!? If you are going to compare the bad, then compare the good. Our pros are pathetic, self absorbed, and lazy compared with the most generous professional atheletes in other sports. They are probably boring and calm compared to the most violent and destructive also. Who cares? What I know is that if I ride my bike on a MT Bike trail, go play tennis, golf at a course, or play basketball on MOST courts in America...I wont come across someone openly "partaking." I could find in less than an hour, on a disc golf course, that happening. Infact it is out in the open. Don't try to act like it isnt engrained in the culture. How many idiots on this very site have a pot leaf for an avatar or carry a died disc, or specifically buy 2 piece mini's to hold their stash. How many tournaments B-Tier and above do you have to have to go to where people ASK in the middle of the round if they can light up. WHAT!? What does the parking lot smell like in between rounds...or the bathroom. It is everywhere and it is generally accepted by players.

To you losers ... do your thing, I dont care, but do it in your own space on your own time and keep if off the course. You dont need to flaunt it, you are not cool, you are a loser... look I typed 420... now I am cool. I should wait until 4:20 on 4/20 to type 420...whoaaa radical dude.

I DONT CARE if softball players are littering drunks. I CARE when disc golfers are, period. If you care about the sport then you should care too. If you care about softball...go on their forums and complain about drinking in the parking lot.

:clap: dead on right sir

 

[scarpfish]

To you losers ... do your thing, I dont care, but do it in your own space on your own time and keep if off the course. You dont need to flaunt it, you are not cool, you are a loser... look I typed 420... now I am cool. I should wait until 4:20 on 4/20 to type 420...whoaaa radical dude.

I DONT CARE if softball players are littering drunks. I CARE when disc golfers are, period. If you care about the sport then you should care too. If you care about softball...go on their forums and complain about drinking in the parking lot.

Somehow, reading that wants to make me clean up after the "losers" a little bit less. At least they don't get on internet forums and tell me what I'm supposed to care about because I share a hobby with them.

 

[natedg1976]

You sure they were dgers? You can find those things in many parks that don't have dg, among many other places.

You know why ball golf doesn't see that?....


















Pay to play.

Number one yes, the drunks fighting were disc golfers. The needle on the course, who knows. The stoner idiots I see throwing everytime I am there, yup disc golfers. And ball golf does see drunken fights on their precious pay to play courses. Pay to play is not the miracle cure to the loathsome self image of disc golf. People growing the fark up and realizing its not cool to spark a fatty in a public park while chucking discs is what will fix that image.

 

[Jay Dub]

Somehow, reading that wants to make me clean up after the "losers" a little bit less. At least they don't get on internet forums and tell me what I'm supposed to care about because I share a hobby with them.

:clap: dead on right sir

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[1978]

Somehow, reading that wants to make me clean up after the "losers" a little bit less. At least they don't get on internet forums and tell me what I'm supposed to care about because I share a hobby with them.

420 ... Make you feel better?

 

[sidewinder22]

Yawn. I'm not concerned with other sports. Every sport has its fair share of abusers and violent people. Imagine if there was enough media coverage to dig into our pro's lives LOL! Do we not remember one of our pros tried to run over someone with a van!? If you are going to compare the bad, then compare the good. Our pros are pathetic, self absorbed, and lazy compared with the most generous professional atheletes in other sports. They are probably boring and calm compared to the most violent and destructive also. Who cares? What I know is that if I ride my bike on a MT Bike trail, go play tennis, golf at a course, or play basketball on MOST courts in America...I wont come across someone openly "partaking." I could find in less than an hour, on a disc golf course, that happening. Infact it is out in the open. Don't try to act like it isnt engrained in the culture. How many idiots on this very site have a pot leaf for an avatar or carry a died disc, or specifically buy 2 piece mini's to hold their stash. How many tournaments B-Tier and above do you have to have to go to where people ASK in the middle of the round if they can light up. WHAT!? What does the parking lot smell like in between rounds...or the bathroom. It is everywhere and it is generally accepted by players.

To you losers ... do your thing, I dont care, but do it in your own space on your own time and keep if off the course. You dont need to flaunt it, you are not cool, you are a loser... look I typed 420... now I am cool. I should wait until 4:20 on 4/20 to type 420...whoaaa radical dude.

I DONT CARE if softball players are littering drunks. I CARE when disc golfers are, period. If you care about the sport then you should care too. If you care about softball...go on their forums and complain about drinking in the parking lot.

Even been the bowling alley? You can't really compare leisure activities to fast moving activities, those things aren't really possible to do during them. If you want to keep drugs and alcohol off the course you would have to make it speed golf.

FWIW I've seen more drinking and fights between parents at kids sporting events than I have on the dg course. I've not seen a fight on any course.

 

[sidewinder22]

Number one yes, the drunks fighting were disc golfers. The needle on the course, who knows. The stoner idiots I see throwing everytime I am there, yup disc golfers. And ball golf does see drunken fights on their precious pay to play courses. Pay to play is not the miracle cure to the loathsome self image of disc golf. People growing the fark up and realizing its not cool to spark a fatty in a public park while chucking discs is what will fix that image.

So now you argue that ball golf is no better than disc golf. Hypocrite. Instead of trying to change a culture it would be easier to just build your own course and shelter yourself from society.

 

[The Hammer]

On traditional (ball) golf courses I've seen several fights, people hitting golf balls at one-another intentionally, drug use, people crashing carts into one another, crashing carts into structures and ponds, etc. These are nice courses too, not some muni ****-hole. I'm talking $100+ greens fees.

I worked at a bowling alley in high school for a few years. The behavior that occurs in those places in equally abhorrent. This behavior isn't unique to DG.

The difference here is, as Sidewinder has mentioned, that these things are happening on private property specifically designed for the activity. Disc golf is unique in that it is played on mulit-use public parks.

 

[WhiteyBear]

On traditional (ball) golf courses I've seen several fights, people hitting golf balls at one-another intentionally, drug use, people crashing carts into one another, crashing carts into structures and ponds, etc. These are nice courses too, not some muni ****-hole. I'm talking $100+ greens fees.

I worked at a bowling alley in high school for a few years. The behavior that occurs in those places in equally abhorrent. This behavior isn't unique to DG.

The difference here is, as Sidewinder has mentioned, that these things are happening on private property specifically designed for the activity. Disc golf is unique in that it is played on multi-use public parks.

Nothing NEAR the level, and frequency, of disc golf. I've worked on golf courses, municipal golf courses. The prevalence of what happens in disc golf FAR exceeds what happens on golf courses.

 

[The Hammer]

Nothing NEAR the level, and frequency, of disc golf. I've worked on golf courses, municipal golf courses. The prevalence of what happens in disc golf FAR exceeds what happens on golf courses.

You think that has something to do with the fact that we are possibly the most blue-collar sport ever? I do.

The reason DG isn't taken seriously by the public, IMO, has little to nothing to do with the extra-curricular activities that occur. It has to do with the fact that we are playing with frisbees. The public will always look at that as a hobby, not a sport. Frisbees are well known to be toys, not serious sporting equipment. Unless that changes, DG will remain a niche activity.

***Spoiler alert***

DG will never be main stream. Get used to it.

 

[sidewinder22]

Exactly^ dg just gravitates the culture. You can't fight gravity.