Brodie Smith PDGA #128378

[gerth_vader]

Maybe just a buzz that has a "word" stamp

 

[ghubing]

The publicity stunt is over, nothing to see here. Move along folks.

The point is not labelling you a "hater" or something juvenile like that. The point is that you're making emotionally charged, absolute claims that don't seem to be in good faith. If Brodie sticks with DG and returns to the pro circuit after doing a few months of field work, are you going to revise your opinion of him accordingly?

For me, the "null hypothesis" is that Brodie will do what he said he would do--spend the next few months doing field work and playing lower-level tournaments before returning to major events. If he quits disc golf instead, I'll say "okay, I guess I was wrong about that, maybe I misjudged Brodie's long-term commitment".

 

[robdeforge]

Risk vs. Reward is what it's all about.

Right now we have Reward vs. Par

^ https://twitter.com/Brodiesmith21/status/1295871901743579141

brodie wants all OB in disc golf to be stroke and distance. :wall:

 

[McCready]

He needs to take down some B tiers, build up his confidence and tournament experience. Makes no sense for him to expect to crack the leaderboard against the best players in the world.

And really all the hype & attention around this dude is so bizarre and stupid.

 

[discerdoo]

And really all the hype & attention around this dude is so bizarre and stupid.

Social media in general allows for much bizarre and stupid stuff, and social media is what Bro-D does.

 

[davetherocketguy]

^ https://twitter.com/Brodiesmith21/status/1295871901743579141

brodie wants all OB in disc golf to be stroke and distance. :wall:

What a lot of people fail to realize is one of the appeals of disc golf is that it is easier than golf to take up. Make it harder and more tedious and you remove that appeal. Stroke and distance will go a long way to make it more tedious and difficult. Doing it for one or two holes at the pro level or at a tourney with a PDGA waiver is one thing but doing it for every OB everywhere would be really stupid.

 

[twistedraven]

What a lot of people fail to realize is one of the appeals of disc golf is that it is easier than golf to take up. Make it harder and more tedious and you remove that appeal. Stroke and distance will go a long way to make it more tedious and difficult. Doing it for one or two holes at the pro level or at a tourney with a PDGA waiver is one thing but doing it for every OB everywhere would be really stupid.

I think that's part of Brodie's point though, is that the majority of OB in courses is already stupid, and shouldn't be there in the first place.

I know OB definitely makes for more frustrating viewing when I watch tournaments on youtube.

 

[Keller]

If Brodie sticks with DG and returns to the pro circuit after doing a few months of field work, are you going to revise your opinion of him accordingly? .

Yes, of course. I appreciate anyone who tries to improve.

And for what it's worth, I'm not a Brodie hater. I hate media hype, fanboys and artificial image building with the aim of selling plastic. Dark horse, get freaky :wall: oh shut the f%^k up!

 

[robdeforge]

I think that's part of Brodie's point though, is that the majority of OB in courses is already stupid, and shouldn't be there in the first place.

I know OB definitely makes for more frustrating viewing when I watch tournaments on youtube.

https://twitter.com/Brodiesmith21/status/1295868429979746306

not sure he made that argument anywhere in the video... although to be fair once he starts talking about the "fabrication" of OB areas and making OB areas wider, he kinda lost me

 

[davetherocketguy]

I think that's part of Brodie's point though, is that the majority of OB in courses is already stupid, and shouldn't be there in the first place.

I know OB definitely makes for more frustrating viewing when I watch tournaments on youtube.

Agreed. Artificial OB is sometimes real stupid - Winthrop is a great example. But what I am arguing against is the fundamental change to making ALL OB stroke and distance.

 

[hanger129]

I think one thing that came through in his recent Reddit AMA is that he has a real passion for the sport. I haven't really seen this said explicitly in any of his other posts/videos/podcasts etc, and I think perhaps up until now that's given the impression that he's either in it only to sell plastic and make money, or doesn't think disc golf is that hard and expects to compete with the best right out of the gate (which clearly isn't true and he clearly doesn't think that).

Sure, he's got a lot of natural athleticism and talent from his ultimate days, but he also understands to reach that next level will take a lot of hard work and improvement and he seems ready to make that commitment. I don't think the "reaching his potential" idea should be taken as "based on my talent I should be better than I am RIGHT NOW". It means that his potential is high because he knows he's going to work hard to improve.

He even said in his Reddit AMA that he doesn't expect to contend at the next level until 2022 probably. That alone signals to me that he's in this for the long haul.

 

[bobmcnelly]

What a lot of people fail to realize is one of the appeals of disc golf is that it is easier than golf to take up. Make it harder and more tedious and you remove that appeal. Stroke and distance will go a long way to make it more tedious and difficult. Doing it for one or two holes at the pro level or at a tourney with a PDGA waiver is one thing but doing it for every OB everywhere would be really stupid.

I'm fairly certain he is specifically talking about the Pro Tour. I've watched a few of the Foundation podcasts and they discuss multiple rules and equipment changes, but it's all for the Pro Tour events, not all courses or players.

 

[Jugular]

I'm fairly certain he is specifically talking about the Pro Tour. I've watched a few of the Foundation podcasts and they discuss multiple rules and equipment changes, but it's all for the Pro Tour events, not all courses or players.

Wasn't it mixed in with terminology discussions? So OB in Golf is always stroke and distance so if we call something OB it should also be stroke and distance but he didn't preclude having another category that was as we currently play OB. Though I might be confusing the discussions though they're weren't totally coherent to be fair.

 

[ThrowBot]

brodie wants all OB in disc golf to be stroke and distance. :wall:

Oh boy. Next thing you know, Brodie's helping design the newest course modifications at USDGC.

 

[Jay Dub]

Brodie's "Ask Me Anything"

https://old.reddit.com/r/discgolf/comments/ibqz2j/ask_me_anything_brodie_smith/



Someone posted this on Facebook is the only reason I saw it.

 

[Rastnav]

Wasn't it mixed in with terminology discussions? So OB in Golf is always stroke and distance so if we call something OB it should also be stroke and distance but he didn't preclude having another category that was as we currently play OB. Though I might be confusing the discussions though they're weren't totally coherent to be fair.

I'd actually be on board if he was talking about changing terminology. It's a little stupid to adopt terminology from another, more popular sport and then change the definition. Makes the sport that little less approachable and attractive. (That said, I'd want to know it's _actually_ a problem before making any changes.)

But that is definitely not what he has restricted himself to. He wants some wholesale changes made because he thinks the would be "better". It's another thing that causes people to get turned off by him. The fundamental arrogance to come in to a game for 6 months and thinks he knows best.

 

[BuiltTooLong]

^ https://twitter.com/Brodiesmith21/status/1295871901743579141

brodie wants all OB in disc golf to be stroke and distance. :wall:

Sounds like he's been hanging out too much with Nate Heinold. Just show Brody footage of the first year they play the Lake Eureka Temp course.

 

[brutalbrutus]

He's no longer signed up for GMC but still is for the 2 A tiers


...and if he wants to cut his teeth, I'm sure they will be plenty of B/C tiers around Texas over the next 6 months

 

[robdeforge]

He's no longer signed up for GMC but still is for the 2 A tiers


...and if he wants to cut his teeth, I'm sure they will be plenty of B/C tiers around Texas over the next 6 months

From his Twitter:
" Potential local tournaments for the rest of the season:
Aug 29-30 Magnolia Open
Sept 5 Town Lake Open
Sept 12-13 Lewisville Open
Sept 18-20 Jacksonville Open
Oct 2-4 Texas State Disc Golf Championship
Nov 21-22 The Open at Belton"

 

[ballgolfconvert]

Agreed. Artificial OB is sometimes real stupid - Winthrop is a great example. But what I am arguing against is the fundamental change to making ALL OB stroke and distance.

I agree that if you throw your disc off the course boundaries it should be stroke and distance. I totally disagree with any in-course out of bounds. I think water should be considered a hazard and not OB. I also hate TDs requiring a drop in the drop zone (against PDGA rules if you don't have prior PDGA permission), but is common in our area events. The thing that irritates me the most though is the fact that there are times that you can take your drop closer to the hole than where your disc last crossed the OB / water hazard line.