DGPT: 2020 The Preserve Championship July 3-5

[Jolt]

I wonder what goes on in his head during those 20-30sec. . for me i feel like i have to putt fast so i DON`T start to think to much

 

[Casey 1988]

I encourage you to watch 2014 pro worlds. Only 2 players really in the mix there, but what a finish. Clutch shot after clutch shot.

Same for the 2018 or 2019 I forget the one Ledgstone Insurance open Presented by Discraft. That is the one where Paul McBeth, Eagle McMahon, Simon Lizotte, and Rick W were all gunning for the win and solid shot after solid shot happened for final 18 holes until the very end when some messed up in lead card and chase card.

 

[elmexdela]

I wonder what goes on in his head during those 20-30sec. . for me i feel like i have to putt fast so i DON`T start to think to much

in an interview he said he usually takes this time to think about what he is going to have for dinner later or how far he has to drive to get back to the place he is crashing at and what is on the way that he could stop at

 

[Steve West]

So by the numbers Nikko was at no point until the final putt dropped the favorite to win this event?

Correct.

 

[Steve West]

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With backups on the course being common at tournaments, I don't think time is of the essence in this game.

I think you meant: "I don't think time is of the essence in this game, so backups on the course are common at tournaments."

 

[Robsolow]

John McEnroe keeps coming to mind when I consider Nikko's anger management issues, and whether the player's excellence is worth the tantrum style of tennis or golf, respectively. I love his style of throwing and his "up Nikko" personality, but I despise "down Nikko" and, as with all poor sports, find myself using up all of my patience on one player. Nikko's boorishness creates a walking-on-eggshells atmosphere, where you are hoping he doesn't mess up so he'll create a stink. How many times have we all played with a perfectionist who expects every shot to go in or they cuss around kids and families? To those of you who embrace his passion, I point out Ricky, Josh Anthon, Barsby and others who express joy and anguish without going overboard. And where are all the folks who complained about Brodie being too loud? Nikko or Brodie, who's your ideal cardmate?

 

[araytx]

This course is more fun to watch than ECC.
Should be an interesting lead card tomorrow.
I thought the Big Juli commentary was alright and I'm looking forward to watching rounds 2 & 3.

Again, I don't get that. More fun to watch??? fudgesickles! This wasn't "clutch shot after clutch shot." This was "waiting to see who screwed up first," and I don't see that as exciting. On a course where you can actually make a horrible throw and still birdie the holes, because bad throws aren't punished in anyway particularly if you can bad throw very far. hmmm. About the only real clutch shots on lead card were Calvin's 40-something footer from the bushes after Simon threw it in, and then Nikko's second throw on 18 when he was furthest back and put it to within 22 ft. Other than that was Emerson's three straight edge circle putts dead nuts center, two of them uphill, and he wasn't on the lead card or chase card. Exciting, to me is greatness happening over and over, not us waiting for someone to mess up so someone else can take the lead. Like Simon and Calvin not getting to the circle on 18. That wan't exciting imho. It's not "exciting just because it was "close."

Quite possibly the most exciting back 9 of disc golf I have ever watched live...course I have only been watching for 1 year...

Go back and watch the 2014 Worlds final 9 -- that lasted, what fourteen holes, I think. THAT was exciting. Eventually Ricky looked like he got tired of Paul big putting him when he was under the basket because Paul would putt and the gallery would leave before Rick would tap n.

Paige R2 score of 56 was rated 1004.....a 56 in the MPO field was Rated 1011 and a 57 was Rated 1002

So if Paige would play in open from the MPO tees she would basically had to play the same score to get the same rating?
No way that Paige would play the same score from the MPO tees

Interesting. The way that course was set up for FPO and MPO:

Unless the conditions were very different, there's no way the round rating for a 56 from the MPO tees should be that close to the rating of a 56 from the FPO tees. All that additional distance has to account for more than 7 rating points.

Ratings. They give you an idea of the relative level of how good a course is performance ...but they ain't perfect. :\

Did anyone else notice how long Nikko's routine was for some of his putts? Felt like a long time to me...

How do you do that popcorn movie-watching emoji?

Don't want to spoil anything, but...

Spoiler

Was anyone else surprised to see Nikko lay up on hole 17 of the final round? Seemed like a pretty clear opportunity to put himself in the driver's seat.

Instead he kicked the can down the road, and went into an open bomber of a last hole tied with Lizotte and Heimburg. That's an objectively un-enviable position to be in.

It worked out for Nikko, obviously. I'm in no position to question the successful strategy. Just really shocked that he didn't go for the dagger on 17.

He was weighing the chances (odds) of making it and winning the event, versus missing it and staying in the competition, versus missing it and it going OB costing him not only first, but likely 2nd & 3rd as well. Ultimately he didn't like the odds.

 

[Monkeypaws]

I enjoyed the tournament. I like the fact they kept the OB to a minimum: OB is too often random and too often plays a more important role than it should imo. Show up with your A game and may the best throws win. This was a shoot-out to be sure.

 

[Orioles_Lefty]

It's funny to me that the evolution from old-school "birdie or die" courses have been longer birdie or die courses that simply privilege length over everything else. Now you have to throw two long shots and drop the disc in the basket for the birdie instead of one. The scores under par are the same, so why not just go play any birdie or die course?

 

[robdeforge]

So it always feels like he is super slow, but in reality when I was timing him he only went over 30 seconds twice in the entire round, and even then it was only by a couple of seconds.

when did you start the timer?

 

[Rastnav]

when did you start the timer?

Rule 802.03 says the 30 second clock starts when:
1. The previous player has thrown; and
2. The player has had a reasonable amount of time to arrive at and determine the lie; and
3. They are next in the throwing order; and
4. The playing area is clear and free of distractions.

So, if you want the clock started when gets to the lie, I believe that's not correct. When Nikko is, for example, dropping dirt or grass to assess the wind conditions, or figuring out how far he has to straddle, etc. that's contained in step 2, before the clock starts.

 

[nothinbuttree]

I appreciate some of the recommendations of past tourneys to watch which were more exciting that this final round. However, my main point was this was the most exciting LIVE event I had watched. When I watched the 2014 worlds last year, I already knew the winner. I do agree that was probably the best round of disc golf I have watched. That certainly DID have great clutch shot after shot. Ice water in the veins types of shots. I audibly said 'no way' more than once.

I know Paul is rightfully in the GOAT discussions, but hey--one shot difference (couple inches on any number of putts) in that round and Paul has 4X now, and Ricky 3X, and I think the entire dynamic changes...but I digress.

But seeing the action unfold live, with 3 players in contention to the very end, was pretty cool. Maybe I need to watch more live events.

 

[Spectacledbear]

Philo is commentating on the CCDG coverage and he is my fav commentator i have heard so far i think. Talks about technical stuff that no one else does. Also he is chill and doesn't try to be funny all the time.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

Again, I don't get that. More fun to watch??? fudgesickles! This wasn't "clutch shot after clutch shot." This was "waiting to see who screwed up first," and I don't see that as exciting. On a course where you can actually make a horrible throw and still birdie the holes, because bad throws aren't punished in anyway particularly if you can bad throw very far. hmmm. About the only real clutch shots on lead card were Calvin's 40-something footer from the bushes after Simon threw it in, and then Nikko's second throw on 18 when he was furthest back and put it to within 22 ft. Other than that was Emerson's three straight edge circle putts dead nuts center, two of them uphill, and he wasn't on the lead card or chase card. Exciting, to me is greatness happening over and over, not us waiting for someone to mess up so someone else can take the lead. Like Simon and Calvin not getting to the circle on 18. That wan't exciting imho. It's not "exciting just because it was "close."

I didn't say it was the most compelling course to watch. I just liked it more than Emporia Country Club.

 

[Steve West]

Rule 802.03 says the 30 second clock starts when:
1. The previous player has thrown; and
2. The player has had a reasonable amount of time to arrive at and determine the lie; and
3. They are next in the throwing order; and
4. The playing area is clear and free of distractions.

So, if you want the clock started when gets to the lie, I believe that's not correct. When Nikko is, for example, dropping dirt or grass to assess the wind conditions, or figuring out how far he has to straddle, etc. that's contained in step 2, before the clock starts.

Let's clarify a couple of things.

The clock can start before the player gets to the lie. The player cannot pause the clock by simply refusing to go near their disc. If they SHOULD have been able to get there by now, start the clock.

The time to "determine the lie" is there for cases where the lie needs to be moved and marked by rule, or the correct lie is unclear for some other reason.

During (not before) the 30 seconds there is plenty of time for testing the wind, choosing a disc, getting dirt, etc. If they haven't done that already while waiting for the previous player to throw (which they should have, if they could).

 

[DanJon]

Wasn't there a video of someone calling Nikko on a foot fault while putting? Can't remember who(feels like Barry Schultz, but not sure), just remember him making the putt again and going off in Nikko fashion.

It was Barry and Nikko made the second attempt.

Then he said something snippy like, "how was that?"

 

[perklc]

Same for the 2018 or 2019 I forget the one Ledgstone Insurance open Presented by Discraft. That is the one where Paul McBeth, Eagle McMahon, Simon Lizotte, and Rick W were all gunning for the win and solid shot after solid shot happened for final 18 holes until the very end when some messed up in lead card and chase card.

That is not remotely close to anything that happened at either of those Ledgestones

 

[Casey 1988]

That is not remotely close to anything that happened at either of those Ledgestones

Then 2017, I forget the year 100%.

 

[perklc]

It's not a Ledgestone.

2019 Paul birdied the entire back 9 and won by like 5. Eagle DNF'd the first round

2018 Paul was a non-entity, Simon and Eagle didn't play, and Sexton won

2017 Anthon ran away with it by double digits

2016 Paul won by double digits

2015 Simon won by a few strokes on a ridiculously tight final 9 at Lake Eureka. Neither Eagle nor Rick were in the final 9

 

[frasnow]

Does anyone else think the baskets could be a factor in the low scores in this tournament? I recall some complaints about the original Prodigy T1s, but those baskets appeared to be catching everything (Updated T1s? T2s?). So many long putts and throw-ins were dropping right in. There were very few of those spit-outs that make you go, wha?

Thanks to all the great coverage I have lots of putts to analyze. Time for more research... :hfive: