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The golf time rule works because they have the freedom to stop play and finish on Mondays. We don't.
So just because no one is being held up doesn't mean that the event will finish on time and that it's not an issue.
I'm a major "let's not overthink this, what does the PGA do?" person. But in this area, apples and oranges.
And yet you continue to post a variation of the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
What?
The PGA has never finished on a Monday due to player time delays, only due to weather delays. To state otherwise is completely ridiculous. And please show me statistics on how the PDGA time rule has served to increase the pace of play in these major tourneys. Hint: it hasn't had any effect at all.
but when a customer questions his recommendation of a tv and he gets up in their face then asks them to step away, he is gunna lose that job too.... He could also get a job at Best Buy and make just as much over the next 9 months looking at his winnings this year.
I can understand that the tour may need its own disciplinary process. That's about all I've picked up on. I'd like to hear what process PM (or others not named BGC) would consider reasonable. What does "transparency mean?
Seattle Seahawks running back, Marshawn Lynch once quipped, "I'm just here so I don't get fined." Maybe Lynch would be more at home with a disc than a football because the PDGA doesn't fine players. I suppose we could but with professional disc golfers earning so little relative to other professional athletes, it seems exceedingly punitive. I am not sure how it would work with amateur players. Perhaps we could fine them product. Kicked the basket in disgust? Gimme' your favorite putter. All kidding aside, it would take a formal resolution on behalf of the players for the PDGA to start issuing fines.
"There was no transparency in the process, as far as they didn't send me an email, or say 'this is what people are saying, how do you refute that?'" Williams said. "The guy [Leonard] was kind of like, 'I have a good memory, this is what people said, we have a pretty good case against you. What do you have to say?'"
Leonard declined to comment on the situation.
With Williams and Dollar both taking to social media to explain the situation, some have questioned the length of the suspension and how the PDGA came to settle on an 18-month ban. Multiple sources have told Ultiworld Disc Golf that the PDGA was investigating allegations that Williams made gun pointing gestures toward the players on his card, but Williams and Locastro denied that ever took place. Dollar, in a reply on a Facebook thread, also said that did not occur.
"They said that the three guys said they were scared to play with me," Williams said. "But then when I messaged them, Josh Childs said he hadn't talked to [the PDGA] and Nikko said he didn't say that at all."
this. especially when you have a player like nikko. many of you have said there would have been a totally different outcome if someone came up to you like nikko did to that official. do you think he would have behaved different if it was one of his cardmates making that call?Players are very clear they don't like making calls. It's a cultural issue - they are worried about tension on a card, tension next week, etc.
The golf time rule works because they have the freedom to stop play and finish on Mondays. We don't.
So just because no one is being held up doesn't mean that the event will finish on time and that it's not an issue.
I'm a major "let's not overthink this, what does the PGA do?" person. But in this area, apples and oranges.
One of the headlines on CBS Sports this morning: "Watson discloses length of suspension he would accept."
Here's another angle from the Nikko controversy I keep hearing that's also BS, how other sports baby their tantrum-throwers and it's supposed to make it okay. "In baseball, basketball and football, they get up in officials' faces all the time and act like asses, and heck, even commit crimes, and it's more or less okay there." So? I like to think we're a better sport deserving of higher standards, so forget that logical fallacy too.
Missing my point.
My point is that the PGA has the luxury to not worry about pace because if there is pending weather, they can just finish monday.
Not to mention, in football, players get flagged and usually subsequently fined. Baseball managers and players get ejected and usually subsequently fined. Basketball players can be ejected, and then fined. It's not like there are zero repercussions in those sports, either.
I cannot even imagine the nightmare it would be to drum up the 1.1 Million MTL had. Yikes. Maybe some of these folks who demand this sort of thing start beating the bushes for that colossal amount of denero. Get a little dose of the real world...
Anyone else got any new and interesting takes on this definitely not worn out subject?
He apologized and says he's going to move forward. Do people who still care about this just want to see him quit for good or is there even a slight chance he could redeem himself someday?
Everybody can redeem themselves. I don't know the guy, so I don't have feeling about him personally. The post below really shows that he still does not get it. Mistakes are learning opportunities in life, I still fear he is going to miss the the lesson.