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not a what if situation. all i am dealing with is what happened.
What if the spotter/spectator would have moved the chair? If they didn't themselves could Paul have asked them to remove it?
The rules specifically say that he can request that. They do not allow Paul himself to do it, however.
Finally someone hits the nail on the head. the Line of play is defined asNailed it, bombmk.
Last sentence of 803.01 Obstacles And Relief
Last updated: Friday, August 29, 2014 - 15:02
in case anyone can't find it.
"Casual Obstacles to a Stance: A player may obtain relief only from the following obstacles that are on or behind the lie: casual water, loose leaves or debris, broken branches no longer connected to a tree, motor vehicles, harmful insects or animals, players' equipment, people, or any item or area specifically designated by the Director before the round."
Please show me where it states anything about "clearly states that he can move a person or the persons belongings. " persons belongings are not stated at all. That chair was absolutely not a "players equipment" it was not a "person" nor anything else listed here. if we are going to discuss the effectively please quote the rule and express the opinion from there.
what you are referring to applies to prior to the throw and not after the throw has come to rest. Please quote the rule that backs this up. "and/or their belongings"
803.01 Obstacles And Relief
Last updated: Friday, August 29, 2014 - 15:02
A Obstacles to a Stance or Throwing Motion: With the exception of casual obstacles to a stance as described below, a player is not allowed to move any obstacle on the course. No relief is granted from park equipment (such as signs, trash cans, or picnic tables), which is considered to be part of the course. A player is allowed to request that other people remove themselves and/or their belongings from the player's stance or line of play.
you have unearthed the crux of the situation. McBeth it appears could have used 803.01A to request that a other people (the spotter) remove his belongings (the chair) which is on the line of play which includes behind his lie. Thanks Steve!Here's the whole part A:
I didn't see the situation, I was under the impression the chair was in the way of his stance or throwing motion.
If he wanted it moved because it was in his flight path, that's different. Then, the question would be whether it was in his "line of play", and whether that meant only behind the marker or all the way to the basket, and whether that was straight line on the ground or where the disc might fly.
you have unearthed the crux of the situation. McBeth it appears could have used 803.01A to request that a other people (the spotter) remove his belongings (the chair) which is on the line of play which includes behind his lie. Thanks Steve!
I 100% agree with Dave. It's the media's job to portray the game in a positive light, when you are catering to the masses. As a video guy myself, you have to use your head here; remove expletives (I fill in that empty space with ambient sounds), don't show discs with drug references, and don't show massive anger problems.
Show emotions, show the story, and if someone is having a problem with you, then it's your right as the editor to not show them either.
We, as DG media, have tons of room to grow, we are still in our infancy. As we grow, professionalism on BOTH sides need to grow as well. It's a privilege to play the game at such a high level, and it's a privilege to be able to video/photograph it as well.
bahahaha sorry Elmex! i am done here as i have an early day tomorrow. wanted to at least come here and give you guys a first hand view as many of you here are like me...a fan of the sport. i will pick up with all the negative things others have to say about me and the people i am helping this weekend on Monday when i get back to work and have more time.Elmex is referring to Feldy's FB posts regarding McFly's coverage lol
I 100% disagree. Its the Pros job to make the sport look PROFESSIONAL.
Its the Media's job to show what the sport actually is.
Maybe the Pros should take some responsibility.
I've heard Feldberg swearing on camera and in person.
Something about personal responsibility and pots/kettles.
bahahaha sorry Elmex! i am done here as i have an early day tomorrow. wanted to at least come here and give you guys a first hand view as many of you here are like me...a fan of the sport. i will pick up with all the negative things others have to say about me and the people i am helping this weekend on Monday when i get back to work and have more time.
I 100% disagree. Its the Pros job to make the sport look PROFESSIONAL.
Its the Media's job to show what the sport actually is.
Maybe the Pros should take some responsibility.
I've heard Feldberg swearing on camera and in person.
Something about personal responsibility and pots/kettles.
You obviously didn't read into my statement much.
I don't support unprofessional behavior. It's poor form, and I edit it out. In fact, I'll pretty much edit them out of everything if I didn't like how they acted, or how they treat others off the camera. That's the beauty of editing your own footage.
And yes, we (media) still need to know our audience, because the responsibility to show footage that anyone can view is up to us. Period.
Fair enough..
::tons of double spaced post::
this isn't HS English with +points for trying to be longer.