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JR said:It always amuses me that people like me that are not super into cycling discs claiming that getting a new one to fit a role is great often fail to notice that Buzzes in different plastics are more versatile out of the box than probably any other mold. Glo z or beefy ti for os z for moderately os domey esp, ss or x for mild hyzer flips to straight or mildly us and the reportedly quickly breakng in d for flippy. As if the Buzz would not move a lot right when new even in z annied past say 7 degrees of anny with power to make it go 300' if flat or about 400' with drivers. Bob is your uncle. Sorry bent the Buzz fulfilled your requirements without the needbto cycle them too. Next stop the shop where they sell Buzzes. How else may we help you :lol:
Which other mold comes in so many different stabilities that they cover all the midrange lines released flat at least when given over 360-370' driver power? With great variations in tackiness for all round the year use in all kinds of weather condition. Tasty. Sure there are different great mids some of which fly like one of the Buzzes and some not. Some are shorter others longer glides vary etc. So what. The Buzz is not for everyone given the rest of the bag but it can cover a widrr spectrum of mid flights than most if not every other mold with new examples. Beat that.
JR said:It sems that you are not versed in the scientific process seeing as you claim that popularity is a measure of how a disc or a mold behaves. Even that fallacy supports the superiority of the Buzz over many note not necessarily all the molds. Why? Is the Buzz not the best selling disc for years in a row? A scientist would know that is not valid proof of the real quality of the disc that does not need repeating. But a big but. You are too eager to replace the Buzz with two or more molds if you were to debate the merits of a mold you should compare it to one mold not two. Name any one mold and it is likely to get a superior mix of two or more molds of the same roles mentioned that together give better results. Not an apples to oranges comparison so not real. Remember my last post where i preferred two to three molds for mid duty?
Do not sell Mark out short. Or me for that matter. Unlike him i am notvsponsored and am a mixed bag thrower. And while Mark uses DC exclusively it does not mean any changes to the flight characteristics of the Buzz.
You were selling me short too in claiming thatci had a need to prove that the Buzz is superior. That is inaccurate and the proof is in my previous post so you should reread the part about the merits of the disc and the competition determining which is the best disc. Had you accepted that your claims should have been different. You further devalue my thinking by claiming i believe hype. Is it really so that you do not understand that my observations are my own based on the flights of different Buzzes and most of the competition? Bah but do your misconceptions really make me that dumb? Was Shakespeare wrong to ridicule a fictionary king when he described the king getting his feet wet after commanding tve tide to not rise because he was the king of England? Am i really that stupid in your opinion. Why? Where is the proof?
Fair enough about bringing other competiton for proof. MD2 comes from Innova. There are no really understable versions available when new like the Buzz. The difference is that there are no really tacky MD2s and the differences between the types of MD2s are way larger than with Buzzes. No mildly os MD2out of the box i am afraid. So yes if you use th MD2 you will need complementary discs more than you would do with the Buzz or manipulate the flight more meaning larger chances of error in shot planning. I use this route with the Buzz and pay because manipulation is not as effective as having slightly differing discs. Because i minimize the mass i am hauling around. Because i am not in good enough shape. Ymmv. Domey MD2s are slghtly us and flat ones are os at 200' and moderately os at 300' where is the straight at 300' MD2? If a new d MD2 pulls it of great. No experience with them. The the MD2 would tie the Buzz if there would be a tacky version. Imo the MD2 is better than the Roc.
Flipflat said:JR, you're such a sucker for trolls
maskedavenger said:Clicked on this thread to see if there's some good advice, as I currently like to throw beat fw drivers for tunnel shots (for some reason I am not a mid guy, other than for approaches)... and somehow I walked into a nerd fight about Hitler and the winter war??
Cmon guys whoever shuts up first wins.
Pretty much every player I know carries a Buzzz. None of them finish straight. These are not nose up throws.JHern said:The Buzzz will fly arrow straight and finish straight if you throw it flat and pure, like Mark Ellis was saying.
The Buzzz will fly arrow straight and fade at the end if you throw slightly nose up.
PMantle said:Pretty much every player I know carries a Buzzz. None of them finish straight. These are not nose up throws.JHern said:The Buzzz will fly arrow straight and finish straight if you throw it flat and pure, like Mark Ellis was saying.
The Buzzz will fly arrow straight and fade at the end if you throw slightly nose up.
On another note....
We have 4 new tunnels with the addition of a new 18. Finishing left is pretty much disaster for all of them. So far, Meteor and believe it or not, Underworld are turning out to be very good in there.
maskedavenger said:Clicked on this thread to see if there's some good advice, as I currently like to throw beat fw drivers for tunnel shots (for some reason I am not a mid guy, other than for approaches)... and somehow I walked into a nerd fight about Hitler and the winter war??
Cmon guys whoever shuts up first wins.
PMantle said:Yup to the Champ Leo, but I throw it on a hole where a little left finish is really good. Are Star Leos less stable?
PMantle said:Pretty much every player I know carries a Buzzz. None of them finish straight. These are not nose up throws.JHern said:The Buzzz will fly arrow straight and finish straight if you throw it flat and pure, like Mark Ellis was saying.
The Buzzz will fly arrow straight and fade at the end if you throw slightly nose up.
On another note....
We have 4 new tunnels with the addition of a new 18. Finishing left is pretty much disaster for all of them. So far, Meteor and believe it or not, Underworld are turning out to be very good in there.