[MVP] MVP VOLT - The Comprehensive Thread

[iacas]

Correct^^^
Like my dental floss dime/quarter example above, more mass on the outside edge will require more force to get spinning, but once it is there it will keep spinning longer. It's the same with MVP discs...They do take a bit more to get going, but keep spinning longer if you can fulfill that requirement.

I'm glad you added that. Iw as going to say the same thing: more energy required to get them spinning (same as your quarter/dime example), but they'll stay spinning longer.

And that right there is what the "math" would tell you. Pretty basic math, too.

 

[MrGlass01]

All of MVP discs require some time to dial in. Their putters with the curved bottom, mids with the need for more spin, and the volt has a shallow feel. You have to spend a little time with MVP before you count it out. I ditched the axis and recently got it back and I love it now that i can throw it properly. That is why i am not giving up in the volt yet. it did not amaze me at first but it showed a ton of promise.

 

[Uncle Dougie]

All of MVP discs require some time to dial in. Their putters with the curved bottom, mids with the need for more spin, and the volt has a shallow feel. You have to spend a little time with MVP before you count it out. I ditched the axis and recently got it back and I love it now that i can throw it properly. That is why i am not giving up in the volt yet. it did not amaze me at first but it showed a ton of promise.

I'm hoping when I get mine I too, will learn to love it. I couldn't give the vector it's appropriate time to learn it, but the volt may be different.

On an un-related note, you missed a good time at Havoc!

 

[MrGlass01]

I'm hoping when I get mine I too, will learn to love it. I couldn't give the vector it's appropriate time to learn it, but the volt may be different.

On an un-related note, you missed a good time at Havoc!

I figured it would have been unfair for me to pair up with you because we would have dominated. Have to let other people win too!!!

 

[Aubin]

i'm sorry but the whole 'quarter on a string' example of gyroscopic effect is completely wrong. A disc given force on it's outer edge (grip area) has an equal and exact opposite weight opposing the outer edge opposing the point of force.

in the string example, there is no opposing weight, just a pivot point. a more accurate example would be a string with two quarters, one on each end, with the string supported perfectly in the middle.

think of it this way: a roulette wheel. if you place your hand on the edge and spin it, it goes until gravity and friction defeat the momentum of the force applied. What you are saying is taking only one 'number section' of a roulette wheel and spinning it. Of course a heavier weight on the end of one piece of a roulette wheel will spin longer. when there is equal weight on the opposite side of the disc (not a string, an entire evenly weighted disc) the effect of the weight on the outer edge is different.

is there still a difference? i dunno. I hope so but I think it's a small one. I truly believe the MVP stuff flies better for some people because they WANT it to fly better for them. power of suggestion and all that.

 

[Uncle Dougie]

I figured it would have been unfair for me to pair up with you because we would have dominated. Have to let other people win too!!!

:hfive:

 

[MrGlass01]

^aubin you have a great point there. I would say i agree with you on power of suggestion for sure. I dont think gryo is anything but marketing and a different way to make discs. all discs have gyro to some extent. I will say the first throw i had with the anode i saw it fighting forward and the glide on that was something i had never seen off my hand before. gyro maybe, great disc yes. Can other discs perform the same for me yes. Now the axis, i have never had a mid that i can lay full power into and have it show ablolutely no turn. The harder i throw the farther it goes and still no turn at all.

sorry for the derail. The more i think about the volt the more i feel that it is truly a unique disc and I love to see MVP pushing disc design forward. Hopefully they are cooking up some compliments to this during the winter months and come spring we can have at least one more MVP driver to get our hands on.

 

[McFer]

I guess the way to test the "Gyro" aspect would be to cut the flight plate out of both a Volt and something like a Saint, and then separately weigh the rim/flight plate of each to see if more weight is actually located in the rim of the Volt.

 

[Dyoel182]

I don't think you'd need to go that far considering the rim is the same plastic with hardener added to it which adds weight.

 

[PhillyMatt]

Just got my new 171g volt in the mail. Unfortunately, hurricane selfish isn't going to allow me to get an accurate flight path for a few days..

Boo.

 

[Halcón]

Just got done field testing my Volts. They are all 169 grams. There was no wind. I've said I was a 300' thrower. I'll have to revise that. I throw up yo 300 feet with my DX Leo, or beat TM2 Vision. So that's important to note in my comments.

I was getting the Volts out to about 265 feet on my top throws. Most of my throws were flat. I never throw anhyzer. The disc has a strong tendency to fight turn, and it wants to start fading pretty early. I'd say the fade started at about 180 feet into the throw.

On none of the throws did the Volt turn. Not even a tiny bit. It was laser straight for the initial part of the flight.

I don't want to compare the Volt to other discs, because discs fly differently for different people. But, for me, again, as a 260-300 thrower...the Volt had a fairly strong fade. I didn't notice any special glide, or anything that would set it apart from other stable/overstable fairway drivers.

As a fanboy of MVP, I wanted this disc to be magic. But, for my arm strength, it did not perform much differently than other discs I already own.

Will I keep it in the bag? Yes, because I don't have anything in my bag quite like it. The DX Teebird I throw has lost some of its overstability, so the Volt will compliment well with it.

So, that's about it. I know many players on these forums throw much farther than I do, so this review won't really apply to them. This is for the 260-300 crowd.

The Volt is a good disc, has a dependable flight, feels great in the hand, and would be a great stable/overstable addition to anyone's bag.

 

[eric40817]

Just got done field testing my Volts. They are all 169 grams. There was no wind. I've said I was a 300' thrower. I'll have to revise that. I throw up yo 300 feet with my DX Leo, or beat TM2 Vision. So that's important to note in my comments.

I was getting the Volts out to about 265 feet on my top throws. Most of my throws were flat. I never throw anhyzer. The disc has a strong tendency to fight turn, and it wants to start fading pretty early. I'd say the fade started at about 180 feet into the throw.

On none of the throws did the Volt turn. Not even a tiny bit. It was laser straight for the initial part of the flight.

I don't want to compare the Volt to other discs, because discs fly differently for different people. But, for me, again, as a 260-300 thrower...the Volt had a fairly strong fade. I didn't notice any special glide, or anything that would set it apart from other stable/overstable fairway drivers.

As a fanboy of MVP, I wanted this disc to be magic. But, for my arm strength, it did not perform much differently than other discs I already own.

Will I keep it in the bag? Yes, because I don't have anything in my bag quite like it. The DX Teebird I throw has lost some of its overstability, so the Volt will compliment well with it.

So, that's about it. I know many players on these forums throw much farther than I do, so this review won't really apply to them. This is for the 260-300 crowd.

The Volt is a good disc, has a dependable flight, feels great in the hand, and would be a great stable/overstable addition to anyone's bag.

This is to a tee what I experienced with mine. I got my out to 260-270 on my best throw. It flies very similar to my dx teebird and *TB.

 

[iacas]

i'm sorry but the whole 'quarter on a string' example of gyroscopic effect is completely wrong.

It's not really COMPLETELY wrong, but better examples could have been made.

A bike tire (weight on the outside of the tire) versus a uniform rubber or metal disc with even weight distribution throughout. The latter will be easier to get up to speed but will hold that speed less (because it had less energy put into it).

That's the tradeoff with moving the weight farther out from the center.

The quarter/dime stuff makes sense but it's not a true gyroscope by any stretch, yes. But it's the same principles or family of ideas.

 

[Halcón]

I forgot to mention the grip. The grip is really nice. Some players have mentioned a shallow rim. I'm not quite sure what they feel, but in my hand, these feel really good. And the Neutron adds just enough grippyness so it feels great on release.

All three of the Volts I got are identical in form, 2 orange, 1 blue. They are scary identical. Same parting line, same dome, same exact way the overmold meets with the core. This is a testament to MVP's consistency. I'm really impressed by it.

I can't wait to get these out on the course, and see how they perform when it counts.

 

[knettles]

Argh! This stupid storm! I've had my Volt for 3 days and have either been working or it's been cold and rainy out. Now I don't mind playing in the rain, and I don't mind playing in the cold, but playing in cold rain just plain sucks. I'm about to say screw it and go be cold, wet, and miserable, but get some throws in.

 

[onemilemore]

This is to a tee what I experienced with mine. I got my out to 260-270 on my best throw. It flies very similar to my dx teebird and *TB.

I'm actually ok with hearing this. I took out Teebirds in favor of the Saint, but I could still fit one in the bag. Being at a similar power level, this is kind of what I expected, but I still want to see how it holds an anny line.

 

[eric40817]

Today I got the Volt out about 325-350. I live in western MA and we've got the start of a hurricane going on, winds are at about 50mph, should be about 80 by the time the brunt of it gets here. The tailwind is pretty damn strong. Lined up with the wind crossing from over my left shoulder, and exposed the bottom of the disc to the tailwind. The disc got hurled up in the air to about 50 feet and took about a 460-470 foot ride. First hurricane Ive ever thrown in and certainly not the last.

Just as a scale comparison, my best drive with a bliz boss is 315.

 

[smarkquart]

I forgot to mention the grip. The grip is really nice. Some players have mentioned a shallow rim. I'm not quite sure what they feel, but in my hand, these feel really good. And the Neutron adds just enough grippyness so it feels great on release.

Shallow is a relative term and is dependent on how long and or fat your fingers are. What is a comfortable grip for you is dependent on how much contact you want the disc to have with your hand. Longer fingers have a tougher time curling underneath the wing so the fingertips can make contact with the rim. Because of this, there is less overall contact with the rest of the hand. For some people this is not an issue at all, however, for others less contact than what they are used to can lead to feelings of a weaker grip which in turn can result in less confidence of proper snap due to the fear of releasing or slipping out early.

For me personally, the length of my fingers in relation to how much contact with the disc I want to feel in my hand makes the Volt seem shallow. I do not feel like I am capable of curling in my fingers enough to get the comfort I am looking for in a fairway driver. Because I do not feel like I have as strong as a grip as I would like to have on it, for better or worse I am worried that it will slip out early and that I will not be able to apply as much snap on it as I would like.

Again, it all comes down to the combination of finger length and comfort. I do not have super-long fingers. This same concept is the reason I do not feel comfortable throwing wide-rimmed drivers. In that case I feel like my hand is too open because of how much my fingers have to stretch out to make contact with the inner rim. I cannot throw decent hyzers with wide-rimmer drivers because I do not have enough contact with the rest of my hand, but I can throw anhyzers more comfortably because the disc is forced deeper into my palm and the meat of my thumb.

Previously I mentioned that I am having issues with the Volt being thrown upwards. This stems from me squeezing the Volt in tighter to get the contact I feel is comfortable enough to get the snap I want. In order for me to get it more nose down, I either have to be more conscious of my wrist angle (and thus go against muscle memory), or to go with a three finger grip which allows the disc to sit more naturally in the meat of my palm, forcing it more nose down. However, switching to a three-finger grip then reduces the comfort level I have with the those grip points.

 

[rakamkram]

I think the main reason some people don't see a huge difference is because they don't get enough spin on MVP's discs. The first time I threw one I really didn't notice anything and switched back to buzzzes. I later developed my form some and I get a lot more spin on my throws. The difference in the axis is night and day. It holds any line if you get enough spin on it. I am a believer in MVP for sure.

I know this isn't the best place to ask for this, but since you brought it up, I was hoping someone could maybe help give me an answer.

As a newer player still developing my form, does anybody have any advice/articles/good videos to watch to help develop better spin/snap? I'm having some problems here and I feel a little overwhelmed trying to sort through everything on here sometimes

 

[Bultx1215]

Mine finally came in while I was out of town. Chunked it about 20 times an hour ago. Here is what I found,,,,

For me, throwing RHBH with a 170g, its between a Tbird and PD. Fairly straight out to 250-265 at about 10' off the deck and then a pretty hard fade, say about 20+ feet?.. Some of that could be me...and probably is. Powered down nicely for short shots with a nice strong fade. I tried to flex it some, but that ended up in a nice Anhyzer that it rode to the ground. That could be handy some days.

RHFH is where I really saw it shine. First throw was 260' dead nutz straight with about a 5' fade at the end. Reminded me immediately of a TL. Kept playing with that throw and stretched it out to maybe 270-275, all with the same flight and all about the same 10' off the deck. Added a little flex and as a result, height, and it did a very smooth and cool looking S turn and went out about 285+, almost 290'.:clap: This type throw was about 12-16' above the deck.

So....I don't think I am getting it up to speed yet BH, but FH is doing better. Need to spend more time with it to get the height it likes worked out. Overall, I am not displeased by any means. With a little work, I think I can find the rainbows and lucky charms it was made with. For now, my Saints are safe for sure. I find them way more workable at the moment. May change later, but time will tell.