[MVP] Electron Baseline Plastic Experimental Formulas 1&2

[ranger]

probably terrible


hopefully we get an ion

 

[Halcón]

Yes, let's spare ranger a horrible fate. In all seriousness, there is no way they are not going to make an Ion in this plastic.

 

[nolangherity]

Can't imagine how that would feel.

given your recent outpatient surgery, id say you could.

 

[Halcón]

given your recent outpatient surgery, id say you could.

Ha. Not exactly the same thing, ya know?

 

[elmexdela]

Ha. Not exactly the same thing, ya know?

id say its in the same area

 

[Sean Johnson]

AIM hooked me up :thmbup: with one of each and damn are these things sexy. This is easily the best feeling plastic I've ever come across, having most of the attributes people crave all rolled into one: chalky, velvety, and tacky to the point of being sticky. Excellent grip in the rain as well.

The soft had a flat, springy flight plate, but the rim was definitely more rigid than the core. That went a long way in keeping the disc from feeling floppy like a soft Vibram or RFF blend. In 20 degree weather, the flight plate firmed up to feel about the same as the firm blend indoors. Great in cold weather, but I'm concerned that it will get too soft in the summer.

The plastic on the firm blend felt fantastic as well, but I didn't end up throwing that one. When they hit full production, I'll likely end up with this blend for my primary putters. Those seeking a really stiff putter will be a bit disappointed, as it really feels more like a "medium." If they can tweak it to be as stiff as a McPro with this amazing feeling plastic, they're going to win quite a few more people over.

I could only bring myself to throw one of them, given their scarcity and value right now. I naturally chose the soft to test out due to the temps. At low speeds, I can definitely see the similarities between this and the Envy but I start to see a difference at just 75' worth of power. The prototype still has no high speed turn, but it also has less fade, holds an anhyzer longer, and only pans out where the Envy would come back. This is right where I like my baseline putters when fresh, so I'd think they'd beat in nicely hard impact are avoided (more on that later).

The soft felt great in the rain today and I made some great putts with it. I loved the tacky feel from a subjective standpoint, but I was missing the additional glide that often comes with a baseline version. It's nothing that I can't adjust to, but I feel like I have to put more on it compared to a Dagger or Ion.

I also had a chance to test out its durability. Moderate-speed skips off pavement left light scuffs and low-speed tree hits just resulted in expected dings. High speed impacts....yeahnotsomuch :\ . I got a permanent crease and a dip in the flight plate on the very first one. Another glancing strike off an old chimney took a nice bite out of the rim as well. Not since the original Zero Pures have I seen a disc deform this easily so it really doesn't seem like a good option for a do-it-all or driving putter.

tldr: Awesome plastic, laser-straight flight, just don't hit any trees.

 

[in4d]

Nice review Sean, i agree on the durability. If MVP can keep the same feel/grip but somehow increase the plastics resistance to stretching and chipping even just a little bit, it would be perfect.

Its good to have a plastic that beats in quickly, yet doesn't take massive damage over time either.

 

[scotnt73]

I got to the course to play with my buddies yesterday super excited to show them my new putters. The 3 guys i play the most with mostly throw innova. Imagine my surprise when 2 of them show me their new putters that they are in love with! I preoerdered mine weeks ago to make sure I got them. They just happened to walk into Dynamic discs on release day, fondle them, and fall in love. They had no idea it was even a limited run. They just knew it was an awesome putter.

 

[brutalbrutus]

MVP MVP MVP

 

[Halcón]

^ It's da juice, man. Irresistible. (Sorry, Zam, love that word)

 

[Nasty Nate]

I win!!!! Thank you DT world. XOXOXOXOX

Weren't you just complaining about the blue discs?


I wish this weather would improve so I could go throw!

 

[Aim For The Chains]

AIM hooked me up :thmbup: with one of each and damn are these things sexy. This is easily the best feeling plastic I've ever come across, having most of the attributes people crave all rolled into one: chalky, velvety, and tacky to the point of being sticky. Excellent grip in the rain as well.

The soft had a flat, springy flight plate, but the rim was definitely more rigid than the core. That went a long way in keeping the disc from feeling floppy like a soft Vibram or RFF blend. In 20 degree weather, the flight plate firmed up to feel about the same as the firm blend indoors. Great in cold weather, but I'm concerned that it will get too soft in the summer.

The plastic on the firm blend felt fantastic as well, but I didn't end up throwing that one. When they hit full production, I'll likely end up with this blend for my primary putters. Those seeking a really stiff putter will be a bit disappointed, as it really feels more like a "medium." If they can tweak it to be as stiff as a McPro with this amazing feeling plastic, they're going to win quite a few more people over.

I could only bring myself to throw one of them, given their scarcity and value right now. I naturally chose the soft to test out due to the temps. At low speeds, I can definitely see the similarities between this and the Envy but I start to see a difference at just 75' worth of power. The prototype still has no high speed turn, but it also has less fade, holds an anhyzer longer, and only pans out where the Envy would come back. This is right where I like my baseline putters when fresh, so I'd think they'd beat in nicely hard impact are avoided (more on that later).

The soft felt great in the rain today and I made some great putts with it. I loved the tacky feel from a subjective standpoint, but I was missing the additional glide that often comes with a baseline version. It's nothing that I can't adjust to, but I feel like I have to put more on it compared to a Dagger or Ion.

I also had a chance to test out its durability. Moderate-speed skips off pavement left light scuffs and low-speed tree hits just resulted in expected dings. High speed impacts....yeahnotsomuch :\ . I got a permanent crease and a dip in the flight plate on the very first one. Another glancing strike off an old chimney took a nice bite out of the rim as well. Not since the original Zero Pures have I seen a disc deform this easily so it really doesn't seem like a good option for a do-it-all or driving putter.

tldr: Awesome plastic, laser-straight flight, just don't hit any trees.

what color was the one you threw? Agree on all accounts regarding the plastic. I hope they firm up the blend a little which might also increase durability. I don't care about surface wear but the shape retention is a bigger deal.

 

[Halcón]

Last time I checked, putters were for.....putting. IMO, they should keep the soft plastic how it is.

(At least for putters, a change for mids and drivers would make more sense to toughen them up a bit)

 

[Aim For The Chains]

To me a firm putter gives a cleaner release for push putting. Im not talking about the #2 formula either as much as the #1's which are more of a medium pliability vs a actual firm or hard plastic putter which are out on the market now.

 

[nolangherity]

Last time I checked, putters were for.....putting.

wtf did i just read?

 

[Nasty Nate]

Last time I checked, putters were for.....putting. IMO, they should keep the soft plastic how it is.

(At least for putters, a change for mids and drivers would make more sense to toughen them up a bit)

:thmbup: I honestly never used my putter for anything except putt and approach before the last couple seasons. Although now I realize the usefulness of throwing a putter my driving putter is premium plastic. Does anyone really use base driving putters? Seems like a bad idea.

 

[zendragon]

I will drive with my Blowfly, but that's a completely different beast than most baseline.

 

[Halcón]

A ton of players will drive base plastic putters, especially on shorter holes. (Look how many times mashnut says "Wizard" in the HOD threads)

And actually, we haven't even had these Electrons long enough to see how they'll hold up over time. They might end up seasoning perfectly, just as is.

 

[ranger]

any plastic that can chunk that easily is a bit of a concern for the places I play. But I only want it for putting.

 

[Sean Johnson]

@ AIM - it was the Orange one. I kept the White one as a collector since it goes with all the White SE discs they've produced over the years.