Yeah, more like deluxe winthrop gold without the history.
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PDGA Major: 2022 PDGA Champions Cup Apr 14-17
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Yeah, more like deluxe winthrop gold without the history.
Cgkdisc
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Highbridge is moving that direction on the Gold course which now has 9 holes with two tees and two pins on every hole. There are two combinations of two different 9-hole tee/pin combos with both around 8000 feet for 18 holes. There will eventually be 18 holes with two baskets and two tees per hole to provide four independent gold level layouts on the same 18-hole track. Of course, with two other gold level courses/layouts there, it can provide course variety within an event and/or switch it up from year to year.
Unfortunately, it's unlikely it will be suitable for DGPT events due to lack of local infrastructure, nearby disc golf population for volunteers and spectators, and nearby sources of sponsorship. If the DGPT were able to underwrite the financial requirements for an event, it could probably be pulled off.
Shrug.....I am not a fan of any tag alongs in sanctioned tournament play. The least being children or pets. They are a distraction and a potential advantage to the owner/parent/child...
I can relate a story of a buddy in last years AM worlds. He was on a card with a guy that had his family hanging out with the card. Mother, Father and a sister. They apparently continued to say snide, derogatory comments to the other cardmates and other caddies. Backhanded insults, no blatant name calling or vulgarity. "My son would have made that putt..." "A better caddy would help your game..." "If you have a bit more distance, like my son, you would have a better angle at the pin..."
My buddy said it was brutal. He had to spend time managing his irritation, not his game. He still shot pretty well, but was really chafed at the utter poor sportsmanship of it all. His caddy (his wife), did try to quietly address the issue with the family, to no avail. They did report the issue to the TD.
I suppose he could have called a courtesy violation, but said he was not sure it would be a legit call.
Keep spectators on the sidelines. Keep kids and dogs in the gallery.
I know it is a child and mother, but the emotional aspect has no impact on the rule. If it is a bad rule, different issue and it should be addressed. I don't think it is a bad rule.
I can relate a story of a buddy in last years AM worlds. He was on a card with a guy that had his family hanging out with the card. Mother, Father and a sister. They apparently continued to say snide, derogatory comments to the other cardmates and other caddies. Backhanded insults, no blatant name calling or vulgarity. "My son would have made that putt..." "A better caddy would help your game..." "If you have a bit more distance, like my son, you would have a better angle at the pin..."
My buddy said it was brutal. He had to spend time managing his irritation, not his game. He still shot pretty well, but was really chafed at the utter poor sportsmanship of it all. His caddy (his wife), did try to quietly address the issue with the family, to no avail. They did report the issue to the TD.
I suppose he could have called a courtesy violation, but said he was not sure it would be a legit call.
Keep spectators on the sidelines. Keep kids and dogs in the gallery.
I know it is a child and mother, but the emotional aspect has no impact on the rule. If it is a bad rule, different issue and it should be addressed. I don't think it is a bad rule.
seedlings
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This is fine. Always the problem with acceptable rules: selective enforcement. My kids would be playing tag in-between the other players and knocking their bags over. They would not for one second be a help to me. BUT if one of my 11yo kids was into the game, respectful of the rules, and I thought it absolutely WAS legal, I'd let them caddie. And, I'd be very perturbed at myself, the card, the TDS, and the rules committee, plus throw trash if I were in Tattar's shoes. If someone told me upfront, 'oh, hey, new rule and no minors.' That would also have been fine.
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I think you can keep variety, at least within a single tournament, with multiple pins. Augusta National does a great job of maintaining the challenge through 4 rounds by simply changing the pin positions for each round. They have a whole ritual around it every morning that the tournament is on. Seems to keep people coming back...
Here you might start getting into questions of "how big is a disc golf green" though. Current commentary seems to assume it is C1. Ball golf logic would have it be the entirety of the area from which a player should reasonably be able to hole out within 2 strokes.
Because apparently that was what Tattar understood the punishment to be per Paige's caddy.
Note it wouldn't be a dress code violation, it would be an illicit caddy due to her dress code violation.
If sleeveless shirts are dress code violations, we've got bigger issues than how the caddies are dressed.
I am not sure sleeveless shirts are a violation. Would she not be subjected to the FPO dress code standards? I think sleeveless is allow for FPO. * Too lazy to actually look it up.
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Unfortunate situation and poorly handled. Sounds like TD and staff dropped the ball letting this happen and doing nothing for 9 holes. Nice way to muck up the first FPO Major of the year and toss a little * on it.
krupicka
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The Rules Committee has nothing to do with this rule. Not the creation of it, not the enforcement, nothing.
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The entire process was just an exercise in buffoonery on the PDGA's part.
Maybe so, but many courses have started doing what I said (multiple tees and pins), so more variety (provided no one goes overboard) is better.
Yeah, there were holes I didn't care for, but there were also some really good holes. I didn't mean to imply I'd take EC over WRJ, but I sure did that.
seedlings
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Ok, where does this youth caddie rule originate?
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So to confirm, the Rules Committee doesn't ratify or approve changes to the rules and/or competition manual? I am admittedly naïve on this but I cannot find on PDGA.com what the goals and responsibilities of each committee are.
Dcinmd
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I would imagine that the Competition Committee is responsible for the Competition Manual.
https://www.pdga.com/volunteers/committees
Regardless of the specific origin of the rule, I think the whole situation falls under the aphorism "be careful what you wish for."
The has been a lot of chatter over the last two years, at all levels, about how cards needing to police themselves creates issues. This is especially true for time violations, yet has also been mentioned about ambiguous OB lines, etc. This absolutely applies to a situation where you would need to call a competitor on a courtesy violation for having their kid as a caddie, especially a kid from a foreign country who may not speak the language, etc.
This has resulted in in a situation where tournament officials capable of making these calls are being pushed to actually do so if the become aware of them. So, once you have a live commentator making note of the violation on broadcast, you may get to an untenable situation. That Kristin's daughter wasn't causing any issues is essentially a moot point. Once a tournament official who has the power to make these kinds of calls become aware of the situation, especially public ally aware, there is quite a large amount of pressure to address it, and in a way that does not make the competitors responsible for calling the violation on their card mate.
And at that point, given the state of the tournament and what the specific violation is, there is the "oh ****" moment where you really, really don't want to actually have to formally call a violation. So you improvise. Poorly.
The has been a lot of chatter over the last two years, at all levels, about how cards needing to police themselves creates issues. This is especially true for time violations, yet has also been mentioned about ambiguous OB lines, etc. This absolutely applies to a situation where you would need to call a competitor on a courtesy violation for having their kid as a caddie, especially a kid from a foreign country who may not speak the language, etc.
This has resulted in in a situation where tournament officials capable of making these calls are being pushed to actually do so if the become aware of them. So, once you have a live commentator making note of the violation on broadcast, you may get to an untenable situation. That Kristin's daughter wasn't causing any issues is essentially a moot point. Once a tournament official who has the power to make these kinds of calls become aware of the situation, especially public ally aware, there is quite a large amount of pressure to address it, and in a way that does not make the competitors responsible for calling the violation on their card mate.
And at that point, given the state of the tournament and what the specific violation is, there is the "oh ****" moment where you really, really don't want to actually have to formally call a violation. So you improvise. Poorly.
krupicka
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Caddie rules are in the Competition Manual which is handled by the Competition Committee.
The Rules Committee handles the Official Rules of Disc Golf and associated Q&As.
