T.Hizzle
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Courses are unfair to Climo since designers have added "iron leafs" to their design.
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so then Climo says...
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that's only on west-coast courses. the iron-leaf rule isn't used in florida.
Still haven't washed that hand ...
Looks like you caught them filming the fundamentals DVD.
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I was lucky enough to be able to do this. I played in the Beaver State Fling in Oregon in 2009 and he was gracious enough to talk with me for a while, sign a few discs, and take a photo. He won that tournament for the first time too so as you can imagine, he was in great spirits. :thmbup:
If you count water, sure. But it isn't like Cliff has a million miles of artificial OB roped off every which way. There is a difference. Just a side note, it is really something to watch him throw rollers on 350-400 foot holes at Cliff with pinpoint accuracy, sometimes circling the pin on 17.
skottyb
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Ok the thread is complete, we have a Tebow reference.
Can't go anywhere without one.
I parked a 300' foot hole with a beat to **** Dx Orc on a BH roller the other day. I was just goofing around but it worked.
Jzendt13
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What's an iron leaf?
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Yep. It was a pretty epic event - me and a buddy went to play and there they were, filming. We stood around for a while, watching, and then asked if we could play through. Ever the consummate sportsman, Kenny stepped aside. Didn't even snicker
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Besides loosing your discs and having downhill slopes heading to OB to encourage your disc to end up OB, what is the difference between water and ropes (or stakes or roads/paths)?
By this I mean in relation to Climo's complaint of "The game should be about making shots not being worried about barely missing them." So, please stay away from aesthetics in your answer since I doubt anyone disagrees with that argument.
kpc2004
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edit: beat me to it the iron leaf video! i quote that on the course all the time haha
Climo complained that Nockamixon was on the unfair side of things during the 2005 Worlds.
Well that makes me feel better, lmao.
ENold
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He's right, OB is super lame. Its some mini-golf bulls$&@.
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ENold
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My problem with artificial OB and "mandos" is most often, it makes the course more difficult without making it better; sometimes making it worse.
Cgkdisc
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I don't think it's the OB that's keeping Climo from dominating but the increase in courses with longer par 3 holes along with true gold level par 4s and 5s. Both Kenny and Barry came up thru the ranks when courses were truly "all par 3" so they grooved their games where more controllable discs like Rocs and T-Birds could reach the holes. There are still enough of those courses around so Kenny and to a lesser extent Barry can still crush those courses even using some of the newer drivers.
The young guns came up when wide rimmed drivers were all they knew and some of the newer courses require those discs to be competitive. Even though Winthrop gold is long, it still plays like an older school course where you can score well simply by throwing 300ish with control and not going OB. KC and Barry have demonstrated they can still do that. So it's not the amount of funky OB getting at KC except on the crush holes with OB like Winthrop hole 10 where the young guns can reach the almost island green
In addition, you'll find many more of the top players have good to excellent forehands which is a technical advantage no matter how well you can BH turn a disc. I understand KC has recently developed a pretty decent forehand but he never needed it or used it rarely during his dominating 90s. Barry became great the same way without much if any forehand.
The young guns came up when wide rimmed drivers were all they knew and some of the newer courses require those discs to be competitive. Even though Winthrop gold is long, it still plays like an older school course where you can score well simply by throwing 300ish with control and not going OB. KC and Barry have demonstrated they can still do that. So it's not the amount of funky OB getting at KC except on the crush holes with OB like Winthrop hole 10 where the young guns can reach the almost island green
In addition, you'll find many more of the top players have good to excellent forehands which is a technical advantage no matter how well you can BH turn a disc. I understand KC has recently developed a pretty decent forehand but he never needed it or used it rarely during his dominating 90s. Barry became great the same way without much if any forehand.
Alin
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I'll venture to say that water is a natural OB, as opposed to the man made barriers or just calling a sidewalk OB. Of course, parking lots, roads, playgrounds, etc... all get marked as OB. For instance, ball golf courses use artificial OB unnecessarily. Why are the bunkers and greens OB? If a barrier is needed plant a frikkin' tree or 2!!
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