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Dave Feldberg -- GOAT
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Eww tell story. Does this go with my Dave is an a-hole theory?
Shhhhhh... you're giving away all of my strategy!:thmbdown:
... or something like that.
Lewis
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Maybe you could make an argument that Feldberg is playing at a higher level than anybody ever has, but Climo's stats from 1995 are an awfully high standard to beat. Once we get a few generations in the disc golf record books, we'll have the pleasure of debating whether Climo at his best was better than Player X at his best, kind of like football fans can debate who was the greatest running back ever. I like to think of Climo as the Babe Ruth of disc golf.
I bet you think Richard Petty, Ty Cobb, Wilt Chamberlain, Pele and Bobby Jones had no competition too.
When you say the statement "so ahead of the game when he was winning" and then use that as a reason to say he isn't the best ever, I'm going to have to disagree with you. He was so ahead of everybody else because he was just that good, not because the other players weren't. The same goes with Tiger, when he was crushing people it wasn't because there were no other good pro golfers, it was because Tiger was just that much better. When a guy makes the best in the world look not on his level, he's probably one of the best to ever play.
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jrawk
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Wayne Gretzky is soooo over-rated.
turbosteve
Eagle Member
Did you read Feldberg's defense on the Otter Open thread? He wasn't doing anything wrong but a couple of people took his actions out of context.
Lewis
* Ace Member *
Part of being the greatest ever is being able to get so far "ahead of the game." I remember a few years ago, when the Atlanta Open was on the NT, Climo kinda ran away from the field and hid during the Saturday at East Roswell Park, and cruised to an easy win on Sunday. The conditions that year were awful: cold and raining, but Climo seemed to be less affected than the rest of the field. That was maybe 2008 or 2009, and was probably one of the latest times he's done that.
I miss that Tiger. Could be down by 10 on Sunday and he would still have a shot. Still hoping for that comeback though
.And through my searching I found out some of what happened at the Otter open. And yes, it did confirm my assumption.
Mmendella88
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I miss that Tiger. Could be down by 10 on Sunday and he would still have a shot. Still hoping for that comeback though
And through my searching I found out some of what happened at the Otter open. And yes, it did confirm my assumption.
What happened?
tell us.. TELL US
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24051&start=15
I'm assuming this is what the fella was talking about it was all I could find in my 2 page google search.
"Dave was being a jacka** to both Nikko and Will last weekend. He was telling them during the round that he was going to kick them out of his RV, and that they need to find another ride to Vegas. It made a very bad impression."
"On the other hand, I've had an opportunity to see Will Schusterick show excellent character and sportsmanship. He did his best to stay positive, and tried not to get razzed by the drama. He went out of his way to apologize to Jere Eshelman, the 4th guy on their card last Sunday (Jere is the 2011 NorCal Champion, a soft-spoken hippie from Grass Valley, and a phenomenal putter). Will lost by one stroke, I think everybody was pulling for him by the end of the 2nd round."
I'm assuming this is what the fella was talking about it was all I could find in my 2 page google search
."Dave was being a jacka** to both Nikko and Will last weekend. He was telling them during the round that he was going to kick them out of his RV, and that they need to find another ride to Vegas. It made a very bad impression."
"On the other hand, I've had an opportunity to see Will Schusterick show excellent character and sportsmanship. He did his best to stay positive, and tried not to get razzed by the drama. He went out of his way to apologize to Jere Eshelman, the 4th guy on their card last Sunday (Jere is the 2011 NorCal Champion, a soft-spoken hippie from Grass Valley, and a phenomenal putter). Will lost by one stroke, I think everybody was pulling for him by the end of the 2nd round."
RnROutlaw
Par Member
The constant debate in any sport, the guys that were elite before there was an abundance of elite athletes in their respective sport.
Really? He was "lucky" there was no one as good as him? Have you ever thought that the quality of today's elite disc golfers is due to KC dominating? 12x champ, let's see anyone even get close before we call this a debate.
Really? He was "lucky" there was no one as good as him? Have you ever thought that the quality of today's elite disc golfers is due to KC dominating? 12x champ, let's see anyone even get close before we call this a debate.
And jbl, Climo still holds the record for the highest rated round ever with an 1117, making 23 straight birdies over 24 holes. (Brian Skinner also had an 1117 round over 18 holes). But Climo's record wasn't set "way back" in the 90s where you imply the "game wasn't as [good, challenging, competitive, whatever, fill-in-the-blank]." He set it less than three years ago.
Climo not the best ever???? That's like saying LeBron's better than Michael Jordan, Usher or Beiber better than Michael Jackson, and Tom Brokaw is better than Walter Cronkite. When you're the best ever, the record speaks for itself. Some people think that just because Climo dominated for over a decade that all the other players must have been "second-tier." How far off is that??? He IS just special. He's still rated over 1030 and he'll be 44 in March. When anyone's record approaches the Champ's, that's when he'll be in the discussion.
Climo not the best ever???? That's like saying LeBron's better than Michael Jordan, Usher or Beiber better than Michael Jackson, and Tom Brokaw is better than Walter Cronkite. When you're the best ever, the record speaks for itself. Some people think that just because Climo dominated for over a decade that all the other players must have been "second-tier." How far off is that??? He IS just special. He's still rated over 1030 and he'll be 44 in March. When anyone's record approaches the Champ's, that's when he'll be in the discussion.
https://www.dgcoursereview.com/dgr/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24051&start=15
I'm assuming this is what the fella was talking about it was all I could find in my 2 page google search
"Dave was being a jacka** to both Nikko and Will last weekend. He was telling them during the round that he was going to kick them out of his RV, and that they need to find another ride to Vegas. It made a very bad impression."
"On the other hand, I've had an opportunity to see Will Schusterick show excellent character and sportsmanship. He did his best to stay positive, and tried not to get razzed by the drama. He went out of his way to apologize to Jere Eshelman, the 4th guy on their card last Sunday (Jere is the 2011 NorCal Champion, a soft-spoken hippie from Grass Valley, and a phenomenal putter). Will lost by one stroke, I think everybody was pulling for him by the end of the 2nd round."
So, what we're saying is that GOAT isn't the barnyard animal we should be comparing Borg to, amirite?
This sounds like the Jack/Tiger argument that I've had with people. And the Arnie/Jack argument my Dad had. And the Hogan/Palmer argument. And the .......
And that's just in ball golf. Don't get me started on the Bart Starr/Roger Stauback argument that predates the Manning/Favre argument, or the Gretzky/Crosby argument, or the ......
Point is, the next generation will always be tough to compare to the previous generation. Equipment, training, competition -- it's all going to get better. Finding the GOAT is a futile exercise in a sport with a long history, forget something with less than 50 years on it like disc golf.
And that's just in ball golf. Don't get me started on the Bart Starr/Roger Stauback argument that predates the Manning/Favre argument, or the Gretzky/Crosby argument, or the ......
Point is, the next generation will always be tough to compare to the previous generation. Equipment, training, competition -- it's all going to get better. Finding the GOAT is a futile exercise in a sport with a long history, forget something with less than 50 years on it like disc golf.
codyroberts18
Double Eagle Member
Are you serious? I don't think Feldy is the best of "all time". I wouldn't even say he is the best of right now. I mean, don't get me wrong, he is a solid player, but there are so many solid players this argument could be made for inside the top 15 maybe even 20. I would say he has the potential to win a couple more worlds, but I also think Nikko, Will, Nate, and a couple others have a chance to win some too.
For the people who say the competition of this sport wasn't great when Kenny was tearing the course up, your wrong. Just because abunch of unathletic guys played basketball back in the day doesn't mean the sport was worse than it is now with guys who jump out of the gym. The sport had great competition back then, why do you think Kenny lost tournaments? It's not like he went out to every tourney he played and won without trying. He got beat at a few. The sport has progressed, and yes, anyone inside at least the top 20 could win on any given day, but I don't think there is a defined greatest player of right now.
When it boils down to it, Kenny is the greatest and will always be. Even decades from now, no matter how many worlds someone wins. Just my $.02
For the people who say the competition of this sport wasn't great when Kenny was tearing the course up, your wrong. Just because abunch of unathletic guys played basketball back in the day doesn't mean the sport was worse than it is now with guys who jump out of the gym. The sport had great competition back then, why do you think Kenny lost tournaments? It's not like he went out to every tourney he played and won without trying. He got beat at a few. The sport has progressed, and yes, anyone inside at least the top 20 could win on any given day, but I don't think there is a defined greatest player of right now.
When it boils down to it, Kenny is the greatest and will always be. Even decades from now, no matter how many worlds someone wins. Just my $.02
I saw Climo's competition back in the early 90s when he first came on the disc golf scene. People like Wisecup, Greenwell and many others were as good then as the top players are now. With discs that were not as advanced as the discs they throw today. Try playing 18 holes with a Phenix as your longest driver.
I was there and imho, no one is close to Climo for "GOAT".
I was there and imho, no one is close to Climo for "GOAT".
Wisecup still competes with the Open scores today. He just happens to play in an age-protected division.
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