Does Kensington Toboggan Belong top 10?

[bikinjack]

He did simply take what has been discussed in threads and post it as a review. Is it not a down fall of a course, that it's temp? And that someone made a big trip to get there? I've play Tobaggon, and it is a fun course; but, I've also played a whole number of temp tourney courses that were quality....none of them are listed on this site. I've also set up, run, and played quite a number of one weekend only, good courses, that were set up for a fun weekend of play...none of these are (of course) listed. How about listing final nine layouts for major tourneys; where pros play from one tee to hole three, etc.? How about if one were to begin to review playing courses backwards? It is another layout....

Slippery slope; Tobaggon is....

My favorite course so far was a one weekend only course. There is talk of a permanent course there, but I doubt it will ever be listed here, or on any other course listings.

 

[scarpfish]

I suppose I gotta ask at what point does a course become seasonal? What about permanent courses up north that pull their baskets during the winter, but are in play for 8-9 months?

 

[timg]

I suppose I gotta ask at what point does a course become seasonal? What about permanent courses up north that pull their baskets during the winter, but are in play for 8-9 months?

That is seasonal and seasonal courses would count as they're in the ground most of the time.

 

[Apothecary]

if they pull the baskets or close it for any extend amount of time annually, its seasonal.

 

[sillybizz]

So a course being in the top ten has to be in a place that doesn't get snow? I think that's dumb.

 

[t i m]

I think seasonal courses should definitely be on the list... Courses that are temp and exist once (or twice) a year only for tournaments should NOT be on the list. There is a huge difference between a Tournament ONLY course and a Seasonal course.

Tournament courses usually go in the ground a couple of days -- at most -- before the tourney and can only be played in casual rounds a couple of days out of the year. That's not worth the accolade IMHO.

At the very least, tournament-only courses should have a BIG ASTERISK beside them to help notify people who are interested in playing them that they aren't available for play.

I also think that tournament-only courses get artificially inflated ratings because the ratings are usually reflective of the tournament experience -- not just the course. Winthrop Gold is supposedly one of the best courses in the country. It's on almost every single pro's list. But I think a large part of that is that the tourney itself is such an amazing, A-list event -- the pinnacle of our sport for a tourney setting. It's hard to separate Winthrop Gold as a course from the USDGC. Kensington Toboggan has a similar challenge in that it is inseparable from the A-list tournament it is created for.

Maybe we need a separate top-10 list of "MUST PLAY" tournaments, and this would be a great place for tournament-only courses. When the course and tourney are inseparable, I just don't think the course can stand alone and therefore does not belong in the Top 10.

 

[sillybizz]

I agree completely Tim.

 

[prerube]

Seasonal courses should count in the top 10. If you are trusting the reviews, you should be reading them and in them they will say "Course closed from Octuary-Mapril" just read the review so you don;t get pissed when the course is closed. If it is a 5 star course when it is open, then it is a 5 star course, it does not get bumped to a 4 star because it is closed in the winter.

 

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I think seasonal courses should definitely be on the list... Courses that are temp and exist once (or twice) a year only for tournaments should NOT be on the list. There is a huge difference between a Tournament ONLY course and a Seasonal course.

Tournament courses usually go in the ground a couple of days -- at most -- before the tourney and can only be played in casual rounds a couple of days out of the year. That's not worth the accolade IMHO.

At the very least, tournament-only courses should have a BIG ASTERISK beside them to help notify people who are interested in playing them that they aren't available for play.

I also think that tournament-only courses get artificially inflated ratings because the ratings are usually reflective of the tournament experience -- not just the course. Winthrop Gold is supposedly one of the best courses in the country. It's on almost every single pro's list. But I think a large part of that is that the tourney itself is such an amazing, A-list event -- the pinnacle of our sport for a tourney setting. It's hard to separate Winthrop Gold as a course from the USDGC. Kensington Toboggan has a similar challenge in that it is inseparable from the A-list tournament it is created for.

Maybe we need a separate top-10 list of "MUST PLAY" tournaments, and this would be a great place for tournament-only courses. When the course and tourney are inseparable, I just don't think the course can stand alone and therefore does not belong in the Top 10.

I agree, "seasonal" - YES!! - "temp" - NO WAY!!

 

[timg]

See: http://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14926

Seasonal courses will always count as they're in most of the time. Temp. courses won't. I am working on getting the course categorization thing up and running now.

 

[superberry]

GOOD!

 

[optidiscic]

Campgaw in jersey has 2 distinctly different layouts that r seasonal. They r listed as different courses. I have not heard any complaints it seems to make sense as both layouts occur during different times of year and don't exist at the same time

 

[Cgkdisc]

Check out my stories on the USADGC for photos and discussion about the holes on Toboggan.
http://www.pdga.com/usadgc-check-in-day
http://www.pdga.com/usadgc-day-1
http://www.pdga.com/2010-usadgc-day-2
http://www.pdga.com/usadgc-recap

 

[Greg Layton]

Thanks Chuck. Those are some nice pictures.

 

[agentdozzer]

I dont feel a temp course can be top ten, last year I entered a temp course that i had played and it was promptly removed. I understand this course comes back every year but only for two weeks thats not very top ten. Even though it might be a legit five star course when its in the ground, hopefully next year Ill do well enough to get a invite.