Nikko LoCastro intimidating a PDGA official at European Open '22

[Hampstead]

BGC has just been officially warned about excessive posting.

 

[biscoe]

BGC has just been officially warned about excessive posting.

Can I penalize him now?

 

[zenbot]

They still have to maintain the cards place on the course. But yes, there shouldn't be a time limit.

That said if the other players feel that it is a problem they are always free to put him on the clock. But again if they give the warning, they should be responsible for the timing. It shouldn't be handed off to someone else without the player being notified of it.

How would all you react if some total stranger comes up to you and says they are penalizing you? Bottom line it was handled poorly and the way it was handled screams out that Nikko was targeted. Fix the rule to prevent this from happening again.

By "total stranger" you mean tournament official?

 

[Future_Primitive]

BGC has just been officially warned about excessive posting.

Excellent. Now how do we get Three Putt drunk again? :hfive:

 

[Hampstead]

Can I penalize him now?

You are a certified official.

 

[Countchunkula]

if you pick up your marker, walk to the tee, then go back to finish the hole, it is a one stroke penalty. Don't go back and it 1 stroke to complete and 2 stroke penalty. According to you all, the penalty should be greater though because if you have to walk back to finish, you are also violating the time requirement. which is why their are conditions set before a time violation can be called.

if you called a penalty on yourself in that situation there is simply no helping you. You were not warned and you weren't out of position. You cheated yourself because you don't really understand the rule.

 

[ballgolfconvert]

BGC has just been officially warned about excessive posting.

just being courteous and replying to those who reply to me.

 

[ballgolfconvert]

By "total stranger" you mean tournament official?

Tourney official or not, it is entirely possible Nikko had zero idea who he was or why he was getting in his business. thus the necessity of a direct warning to Nikko by the official. Why would that be so difficult to implement? Why wouldn't you look back and try to figure out a way to diffuse future incidents like this? Unless of course you were specifically targeting Nikko?

 

[ballgolfconvert]

You are a certified official.

As am I.

 

[_MTL_]

Tourney official or not, it is entirely possible Nikko had zero idea who he was or why he was getting in his business. thus the necessity of a direct warning to Nikko by the official. Why would that be so difficult to implement? Why wouldn't you look back and try to figure out a way to diffuse future incidents like this? Unless of course you were specifically targeting Nikko?

Officials for the event are identified at the players meeting of that event. Also, only players, officials, caddies, staff and media are allowed within the ropes.

 

[BionicRib]

How about:

1) We clock every player, every throw.

2) Players accumulate unused time for shots made in less than 30 sec.

3) Players with accumulated time can sell blocks of time to other players ... like carbon credits.

Isaac Robinson plays pretty quickly, doesn't he?
This could be a nifty revenue stream for him.

If we did this then Scott burtard and Chris Herron would have an hour to throw on the last hole.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

Sarcasm??? Not even a chance of that.

You dismiss my suggestion immediately out of hand, and simply chalk it up to sarcasm?!

* casts a menacing glare at aray *

If we did this then Scott burtard and Chris Herron would have an hour to throw on the last hole.

Not if Nikko and Gannon buy their unused time from them.

 

[RowingBoats]

Tourney official or not, it is entirely possible Nikko had zero idea who he was or why he was getting in his business. thus the necessity of a direct warning to Nikko by the official. Why would that be so difficult to implement? Why wouldn't you look back and try to figure out a way to diffuse future incidents like this? Unless of course you were specifically targeting Nikko?

So now your goalpost has moved to describing the official as a 'random looking guy'? The one in the PDGA shirt and hat, who was there prior to the tee-off, holding a phone? The one who literally states "You have been warned earlier in the round, and now have a penalty" (Which, you know, is the EXACT rule).

Nice.

 

[jakebake91]

As am I.

I find this to be absolutely unlikely, given your repeatedly disproved false claims on how the rules work.

You realize that not a single person in here, including some VERY qualified individuals, have agreed with any of your takes on anything at all? At what point do you stop and think, hmmmmm, maybe I AM wrong? Or, just shut up about it? Know when you're beat bud, and move on.

 

[Brockness Monster]

Keep feeding that troll guys opcorn:

 

[Meillo]

just [...] replying to those who reply to me.

Aha, now that's the answer to this problem: If we don't reply to him, he doesn't reply. So simple!

 

[ChrisWoj]

Keep feeding that troll guys opcorn:

The trolls get ever more voracious as you starve them.

 

[SaROCaM]

just being courteous and replying to those who reply to me.

Please reply to this question:

What did you mean by this:

You let them tee off it par+.

It looks like you stated that one who tees off on a hole without completing the previous hole receives a penalty of "par+" on the misplayed hole.

Many of the problems you are encountering here are because:

1) you are accusing people of not understanding rules when you yourself have misstated rules

2) you are accusing people of not understanding when you yourself have misunderstood due to poor reading comprehension (saying Steve wrongfully penalized himself when in fact he stated that he gave himself a warning, as araytx pointed out)

3) the basis for much of your position is based on your own opinions, beliefs, perceptions, unfounded hypotheticals, and moving goalposts.

If not for these issues people may have received your points better and the discussion could be more constructive.

 

[ballgolfconvert]

Obviously you don't play ball golf either, because

A. there very definitely are time limit penalties in ball golf, independent of the card's position on the course, and
B. there have been several instances in the last few years where TV VIEWERS have called bg tourney officials to report violations(other than time) and penalties WERE handed down to the guilty players.

I realize you want to rewrite the PDGA rulebook in your image and likeness, but it isn't going to happen.

A. Right and wrong. PGA Tour complies a list of times to play from the last 10 tourneys. Those who average more than 45 seconds will be subject to timing in future events. They get a warning by an official first, and then next bad time results in penalties and fines. However if you are not on the list than your group needs to be out of position before being warned or penalized.

b. Beginning in 2018 the PGA tour will no longer investigate rule violations submitted by viewers, etc.

https://golf.com/news/pga-tour-pace-of-play-policy/

Players on this list (approximately 20-25 players) will be notified prior to tournament play, and must make strokes within 60 seconds for every shot throughout that tournament. If they are observed failing to do so, they will be timed individually by a rules official.

Similar to when groups are deemed out of position, players are then given 40 seconds to make a shot while they are being timed, with 10 more seconds for those playing a shot first. An ensuing "bad time" will produce a warning, and any following bad times will result in a one-stroke penalty. So yes, that means players who are on the list are more likely to receive a warning and a penalty, but the same application will be used for players in groups that are deemed "out of position," even if said players are not on the Observation List.

There is no direct stroke penalty for taking this long, though it could lead to one, but players who take longer than 120 seconds (two minutes) to play a shot without having a valid reason for doing so will be given a warning once in a season. The next time that happens would incur a $10,000 fine. Each subsequent EST that season earns an additional $20,000 fine.Perhaps most important about officials timing is that once timing players, if there is no bad time recorded within two holes, timing will cease.

So basically, you need to make the 'slow" list or be out of position. Once on the slow list you still have 60 vs 45 seconds to play. Once being timed that drops to 45 seconds. And you need two bad timings by an official before a penalty is given even after being declared officially as a slow player. No one on the PGA Tour ever has an official walk up to them and penalized them for their first bad time.

 

[Rastnav]

I swear, one of the worst aspects of this site (which, I know, human nature) is that some people manage to completely foul the well and make discussing certain aspects of the game absolutely impossible. These things actual could use some well reasoned discussion, but unfortunately it can't occur.

The are subtleties and complexities, but when they get touched on in such an absolute brain dead manner, amidst a river of absolutely incoherent and incorrect assertions, it makes it impossible to then tease out where the baby is amidst the bath water.

Disc golf has been an (almost) entirely card adjudicated sport. The rules have been developed within that historical context. The pro player base may not want this, and indeed, for valid reasons, but transitioning to some sort of bright line, umpire enforced, application of the rules that is letter perfect when viewed on film is guaranteed to generate some intense growing pains, and doesn't actually work for 99% of tournaments, the ones that aren't DGPT ones.

Trying to actually discuss this with Nikko as the background and Sir Troll McDimple involved, is, unfortunately, seemingly fruitless. Nikko is so cut and dried on that front that there is nothing to be learned.