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Booter said:It sounds like u just cant make the sunshine shoot out of the pds butt.
The zombie stamp doesn't like me. I think it's because I don't like brains. 8)I think the pd just doesnt like you.
Srsly though,it might just not work for u,its not gonna be the perfect driver for everybody.but I guarantee that if it worked for u ,you wouldnt be saying its overhyped.just stick to ur tbirds.
Booter said:If the pd was overhyped,dnt u think that half of the people who've been throwin them,would of stopped throwing em? Theres a reason alot of people throw them ,imo I think its getting the credit it deserves.
I don't throw discs that rhyme with puke. 8)The nuke was an overhyped disc...which is why alot of people went back to destroyers ,forces,xcals etc
Unity said:I've gotta agree with Booter. I keep trying to switch back to Teebirds and TLs from my assortment of PDs, and I just cannot do it. The PD just seems to work much better in a much wider variety of situations. True, they are not much longer than Teebirds/TLs, but I've only ever expected them to be marginally longer (~20-30 feet or so), so its never been an issue for me.
And about your P-PD sunspot...sounds like you have a pretty crappy one. I've had a flippy POS and a couple stable dream discs. Sounds like you've experienced the former.
discspeed said:If you are talking net distance on any line, then I agree with you. Teebirds have more glide and can go just as far with more height as a PD. However, the PD can go farther with less effort on lower lines than the TB. The lower the line, the greater the distance gap
As others have explained, the latest runs of PPDs have been crazy. I only have my original beat PPD in my bag, which started out overstable. I hope they will run some more good ones eventually. For some reason it seems Innova really experimented with their pro plastic with the last run as discs ranged from stiff as a board to gummy. Almost all the new runs are pancake flat as well, and that's one of the biggest problems imo.
Without tailwind my beat SPDs always outdistance my PPDs...They are in the category of slower drivers and replace Eagles/Preds rather than distance drivers. The SPD does the same lines/distances as Eagles/beat Preds, but with less effort and better wind resistance.
True stability is a myth. All discs turn at some speed and fade at another. Some discs (like the TB) hold their line across a wide range of speed. I just don't like the sound of the term "true stable" because it sounds absolute. Anyway, this is a useful characteristic at times, but more than not it limits a disc's versatility. Also, the Teebird was not a reliable disc in Pro plastic either. It was flippy...very far from "true stable".
I've always said that the PD was more a turn and fade Eagle type disc than a Teebird. It is more towards the Teebird side of things when compared to the OLF, but only in that context. Overall I feel the PD is disc that is best worked from a slight hyzer. The new Champs and many of the SPDs are great hyzer discs and wind fighters...You can't OAT them turned over into a headwind, but they are still good. I think the PD deserves every bit of hype it gets and the TB may be the most overrated driver ever.
The best testament to the Gospel of the PD is the fact that most of the people who have been throwing them the longest are infamous disc whores who try everything new and love any excuse to switch to new and better molds...but the PD creates dependency.
rusch_bag said:I dropped my PDs to go back to teebirds, leopard, and firebirds. The PDs were too fast for what I wanted them to do and created a gap between my mids and fairway drivers that I found impossible to fill. It took me 3 molds to replace the one, but my game has been much better off with the three than throwing a mold that was too fast for what I wanted it do and and having to throw a slower mold that I never got along with.
J Espi said:I agree that the PD is way overated arround here, though I also agree it is a good disc. I don't think it is nearly as versitle as evary of says, i dont really think anything that speed is. I will give it one thing, along with OLF's they are wickedly long for a 1.9 cm rim. Also they are not 0 hss, I personally dont use them because once seasoned if you turn them over them don't come back. That is also true of TB's but TB's won't turn from hyser
discspeed said:I also concede that the PD is not for everyone. I like pushing my putters and mids out farther than most, so traditional "fairway" speed drivers have never really worked in my bag. The PD works perfect for this, and in turn I like to push it out to 400' or so before I disc up to a faster driver. So it ends up occupying a huge range in my bag as I'll use PDs for shots as short as 300' as well (or shorter if it's a spike shot). My home courses have a huge number of shots in the 350'-360' range as well, and that is a distance where the PD has an advantage over both faster and slower drivers.
J Espi said:I'm glad they work for you discspeed, I throw them on occasion, as they are my brothers go to driver. Knowing nothing about you I would assume you throw with a lot of hyser and crush buzzz's to like PD's show much. Personally I like eagles as a versatile driver and throw them whenever possible. I don't think anything negative about the PD, I just agree with the earlier poster that they are a little overrated arround here.
Why would u think he throws with alot of hyzer? I throw mine flat and have no problems with them coming back,even my beat spd. Pds not overhyped,this is just a thread for people who love the pd and it s versatility. Not everyone is gonna throw it but it seems that nearly every person ive heard say the pd is.over hyped,they just had bad experiences with them. Like I said earlier,if it worked for u,it wouldnt be overhyped now would it?J Espi said:I'm glad they work for you discspeed, I throw them on occasion, as they are my brothers go to driver. Knowing nothing about you I would assume you throw with a lot of hyser and crush buzzz's to like PD's show much. Personally I like eagles as a versatile driver and throw them whenever possible. I don't think anything negative about the PD, I just agree with the earlier poster that they are a little overrated arround here.
disc junkie said:/snip (it was a long post)
discspeed said:rusch_bag said:I dropped my PDs to go back to teebirds, leopard, and firebirds. The PDs were too fast for what I wanted them to do and created a gap between my mids and fairway drivers that I found impossible to fill. It took me 3 molds to replace the one, but my game has been much better off with the three than throwing a mold that was too fast for what I wanted it do and and having to throw a slower mold that I never got along with.
The PDs are like your OLF and OLS more than the three discs you mention above.
sunspot said:I don't throw discs that rhyme with puke.
Ya, I actually have a PPD in my bag for exactly that shot. Definitely flippier than my beat up old Eagles. But otoh my SPD is a great headwind driver and has never turned over on me. I wouldn't say it's any more predictable than a new Eagle-x, but it does go a bit farther.J Espi said:I personally dont use them because once seasoned if you turn them over them don't come back.