dukdukgolf
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i wish all tourneys were payouts in funny money for Ams with no player pack. This option really wasnt in your poll.
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tangent: Dri fits (and any shirt) is a major PITA for the TD. TDs need to pre-order well in advance and know the exact count of each size (including women's styles & sizes). TD's can be stuck holding a lot of expensive unused and unsellable inventory very quickly.
i wish all tourneys were payouts in funny money for Ams with no player pack. This option really wasn't in your poll.
i wish all tourneys were payouts in funny money for Ams with no player pack. This option really wasnt in your poll.
^ This. I TD local non-sanctioned monthlies for my club, and this is how we do the payouts for ams. No top placement--no swag. And everyone's cool with that; anybody who isn't moves up to the open division and competes.
But that's what works in my area. Having never run a B or C tier, I don't really feel qualified to make a determination about that realm of tournament directing.
So, in the grand scheme of my disc golf priorities, tourneys can kick rocks for the most part.
If I'm running a tournament, best case scenario, hypothetically, perfect world, etc. etc.
1 day, 2 rounds of 18
$40 entry fee for all AMs, $70 for all Pros
100% payout for Pros, including whatever added cash (probably a C-Tier with $1000 or so added)
Trophy only for AMs. Your entry fee includes a tournament dri-fit shirt, a tournament star disc (get 3-4 molds to choose from), a buffet lunch, and plenty of water around the course. What are you competing for? handmade trophies or dyed discs for top 3 finishers in big divisions, winner only in small divisions.
Ideally, this would draw the full 72 player pool and fill up a week in advance. 15 MPO, 15 MA1, 15 MA2, 10 MA3, 5 FPO, 5 MM1, and the rest distributed between AdvMasters, AdvGrand, AdvWomen, etc.
MPO would pay out top 5, MM1 top 2, the others as needed.
I am NOT saying I could go out and do this any weekend of the year. This would be my ideal tournament if I was TD. I would hopefully be able to cover most of the expenses before the tournament even started and have enough money where I can buy things for the tournament last minute if needed. I wouldn't necessarily want any profit, but I would like to compete.
This is all presupposing a worthy payout for them. But, we are talking about Ams here and their choices/motivations for attending events.
I wonder if there were 2 PDGA sanctioned C-Tier Am events in opposite directions 30 miles away to chose from.
**One course is an open, short, flat, boring course (2.25 rated) with a $40 entry fee, $30 players pack and 150% payout.
**The other is a 4.75 rated course (wooded mix, hilly, grassy, nice tees, clean bathrooms, quiet, pretty, nice signs) with $15 entry fee, tourney stamped DX Roc for players pack, and with prizes of only homemade trophies for the top 3 finishers in each division.
Who would get more players and why? This is what I am wondering.
Four State Open in Joplin is run much like this only even grander. Rec division was Trophy Only with 2 extra discs in player pack... so 4 discs instead of 2. Everyone got metal mini, dry-fit shirt, lunch, and downtown party including beer, pizza, and wings. Intermediate ams and up played for merch vouchers, Open played for cash and it paid out better than most A-Tiers. 3 Rounds of 18 over two days for 180 players. Its is the model tournament in my opinion. Sold out and turned away folks. See last years results here: 4 States Open - 2012
you know what the sad fact is....sigh. a handful of players would show up at the 2nd option and a ton at the 1st.
i wish all tourneys were payouts in funny money for Ams with no player pack. This option really wasnt in your poll.
This format is high on my list as well (though I'd still prefer low-entry, trophy only). I'm in an apparently distinct minority in not caring for players packs. And "funny money" is the way to go on payouts (or, for that matter, players packs, if you must have them.
You are definitely correct that alot of Chicago area players do not know what a quality course is. however, out of all the places i have lived, Chicago players are the biggest supporters of duece or die courses. a common theme is "if its not reachable in one shot its a dumb hole." We also don't have much to chose from for true quality though.I'm not sure exactly where your perspective on this was developed, but if it has been in the greater Chicago area that makes perfect sense. The vast majority of players have probably not traveled outside the area and do not really know what good courses are. They are conditioned to think DG on mediocre courses is what it is all about.....so then the allure of prizes shines that much brighter.
i am not sure what you mean by this.I am not arguing at all with your perspective....just speculating on and chewing over how pre-formed expectations plays into this all. I may well be off base on my thoughts. But, your perspective seems different from several specific examples David Sauls put forth.
i am in the minority with DS. players packs are unnecessary. funny money all the way.I'm in an apparently distinct minority in not caring for players packs. And "funny money" is the way to go on payouts
the only place i differ from most everybody is that i think the payouts go tooooooooooo! deep. 45-50% is dumb, higher percentage payouts and less people paid out.
I personally think that approach highlights the worst aspects of amateurs getting payout. It just increases the chances that high rated ams will stay in a division for giant payouts and leaves the guys who typically compete for one of the last payout spots often walking away with nothing. Also, nothing says that players packs can't be funny money or vouchers. I've been to several tourneys where this has been the approach.