2019 PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships Aug 12-17

[Steve West]

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[Jolt]

Sports is kind of odd, some wins you remember forever. . others not so much

Worlds is THAT tournament in discgolf. . i know that Avery won in 2009, McCabe in 2010 and i know that Doss have 3x and Climo 12x . . but i can´t name a single other tournament any of them have won

It´s like the Olympics . . if you get a win. that trumps everything else . . by far

 

[Jolt]

Eveliina came 2nd in her first Worlds. . have anyone won Worlds in their first try?

 

[biscoe]

Eveliina came 2nd in her first Worlds. . have anyone won Worlds in their first try?

Obviously all the winners the first year did. I would imagine there were some more in the early years. Also happens all the time at Am Worlds.

 

[Cgkdisc]

Eveliina came 2nd in her first Worlds. . have anyone won Worlds in their first try?

Harold Duvall won the first Worlds in 1982 and it was his first PDGA event.

 

[JC17393]

Eveliina came 2nd in her first Worlds. . have anyone won Worlds in their first try?

You mean aside from the first year of Worlds?

Sam Ferrans won the third ever World championships in 1984. He was not in attendance for the first two. He's the only one I can find.

 

[_MTL_]

Eveliina came 2nd in her first Worlds. . have anyone won Worlds in their first try?

Plenty of people on the amateur side.

 

[araytx]

Also, what are peoples thoughts of a lot of big tournaments having the last round on Saturday and not Sunday? Im in the train of thought in that it gives people less opportunity to play in these events because those of us with full time jobs cant take the time off of work to play. I would think we are seeing less viewership because of it both in person and online and I would think that it limits the field of play as well. Now I dont think these tournaments have any issue in filling up but it could stop them from future growth. I also know that some tournaments have gone away from Sunday rounds because of religious views which Im not a fan of but I understand.

I also see the reason to have that Sunday as a "buffer day" in case of bad weather late in the event causing the players to not be able to complete it. They can let them know early enough that e'll make up the round we're behind on Sunday. There were several tournaments the first year the pros went the three rounds, 1-a-day, that ended up getting truncated due to the schedule of the last round on Sunday, negating any possibility of making it up.

 

[JC17393]

I also see the reason to have that Sunday as a "buffer day" in case of bad weather late in the event causing the players to not be able to complete it. They can let them know early enough that e'll make up the round we're behind on Sunday. There were several tournaments the first year the pros went the three rounds, 1-a-day, that ended up getting truncated due to the schedule of the last round on Sunday, negating any possibility of making it up.

Sunday would need to be designated as a make up/over-run date well in advance of the event in order to get away with it. It's not something that can be announced on Friday that the tournament will finish on Sunday. Particularly if it's a tournament with a lot of people in from out of town using hotels, campgrounds, etc...people need to know whether they need to book an extra night just in case.

As for the tournaments that had cancelled final rounds, the first was USDGC in 2016, a tournament that ended on a Saturday. The third was GBO, which also was scheduled to end on a Saturday. Only the Nick Hyde was scheduled to end on Sunday and had the final round cancelled.

In both the USDGC and GBO's case, the question of finishing the tournament on Sunday was broached, but ultimately discarded because people were planning to get out of town and weren't prepared to extend hotel stays or re-arrange flights just to finish the event. Of course, in USDGC's case, even if the players wanted to stay, many of the local hotels were booked out for storm evacuees so there was no chance for anyone to extend their stay.

I really don't think the opportunity to run over into Sunday is among the primary reasons that tournaments are ending on Saturday.

 

[araytx]

Sunday would need to be designated as a make up/over-run date well in advance of the event in order to get away with it. It's not something that can be announced on Friday that the tournament will finish on Sunday. Particularly if it's a tournament with a lot of people in from out of town using hotels, campgrounds, etc...people need to know whether they need to book an extra night just in case.

As for the tournaments that had cancelled final rounds, the first was USDGC in 2016, a tournament that ended on a Saturday. The third was GBO, which also was scheduled to end on a Saturday. Only the Nick Hyde was scheduled to end on Sunday and had the final round cancelled.

In both the USDGC and GBO's case, the question of finishing the tournament on Sunday was broached, but ultimately discarded because people were planning to get out of town and weren't prepared to extend hotel stays or re-arrange flights just to finish the event. Of course, in USDGC's case, even if the players wanted to stay, many of the local hotels were booked out for storm evacuees so there was no chance for anyone to extend their stay.

I really don't think the opportunity to run over into Sunday is among the primary reasons that tournaments are ending on Saturday.

Definitely, I get and I know all that. All I am saying is that having the tourney scheduled to end on Saturday at least leaves the possibility!

 

[Casey 1988]

Sports is kind of odd, some wins you remember forever. . others not so much

Worlds is THAT tournament in discgolf. . i know that Avery won in 2009, McCabe in 2010 and i know that Doss have 3x and Climo 12x . . but i can´t name a single other tournament any of them have won

It´s like the Olympics . . if you get a win. that trumps everything else . . by far

Nate Doss won the Beaver State Fling a bunch of times in the 2000's since that was like a local course for him and he would play all the time in the off season.

 

[Jolt]

You mean aside from the first year of Worlds?

Sam Ferrans won the third ever World championships in 1984. He was not in attendance for the first two. He's the only one I can find.

Yes the first ever Worlds don´t really count, hard to have played something that don´t exist

But nice for Eveliina. no one in her lifetime have placed better in their first Worlds

 

[JC17393]

Nate Doss won the Beaver State Fling a bunch of times in the 2000's since that was like a local course for him and he would play all the time in the off season.

Uhhhhhhhh, Nate grew up in Santa Cruz, California. The greater Portland, Oregon area was not "local" to him. Even now that he resides in Oregon, it's not local to him...Bend is a good three hour drive from Portland.

To be fair, he has won the BSF...once, in 2007.

 

[Discette]

I also see the reason to have that Sunday as a "buffer day" in case of bad weather late in the event causing the players to not be able to complete it. They can let them know early enough that e'll make up the round we're behind on Sunday. There were several tournaments the first year the pros went the three rounds, 1-a-day, that ended up getting truncated due to the schedule of the last round on Sunday, negating any possibility of making it up.

Definitely, I get and I know all that. All I am saying is that having the tourney scheduled to end on Saturday at least leaves the possibility!

Sunday is not there as a buffer because tournaments are NOT allowed to finish incomplete rounds by adding another day.

Competition Manual 1.09 D (2) ..

Under no circumstances should players be expected, or asked, to return on a day
following the last day of the regular scheduled rounds to finish the event.

This last statement is also part of PDGA Mid-Event Weather Suspension & Cancellation Guidelines

 

[SD86]

I'm not hating.... but I find myself still trying to understand what makes this event, (which anyone can sign up and play in) so prestigious that the winner is proclaimed the "PDGA World Champion"? I understand this is a major, if they required a certain placement in the other majors as a means to quality for this event, then at least to me it would make sense, but take out the title of the tournament, and seems like there really isn't anything about this event that distances itself from other events.

Like parents sometimes say: "Because we said so!"

Just like the golf ball golf US Open, PGA Championship, or (British) Open, it's what they call it, therefore it's what it is.

It's the knowing at the end that if you win THIS tournament, you will be called "World Champion" for all time.

Could they improve the quality of the tournament? Sure. Could they improve the qualifications to get into the tournament? Sure. But in the here and now, it's "Worlds", and the winner is the World Champion.

 

[SD86]

Performance Tracks

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Thanks for posting these. Interesting information within the graphs...

 

[Steve West]

Thanks for posting these. Interesting information within the graphs...

Glad you like it. It takes a bit of staring.

For those who haven't looked, if you keep in mind that when the line is going up, the player is playing above their rating, you can almost replay the event in your mind.

A few tidbits:

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After two rounds, Paul's expected final score was 16 throws better than anyone else, even though he was behind Emerson by one at that point. That makes me wonder whether anyone else ever really had a chance.

Note how far above his rating Emerson was playing until hole 16 in the second round at Northwood. He was gaining an average of .41 throws on himself every hole!

Simon's 14 under was 5 better than expected for him, while Ricky's 14 under was 7 better than he would have expected.

 

[SD86]

Glad you like it. It takes a bit of staring.

For those who haven't looked, if you keep in mind that when the line is going up, the player is playing above their rating, you can almost replay the event in your mind.

A few tidbits:

Spoiler

After two rounds, Paul's expected final score was 16 throws better than anyone else, even though he was behind Emerson by one at that point. That makes me wonder whether anyone else ever really had a chance.

Note how far above his rating Emerson was playing until hole 16 in the second round at Northwood. He was gaining an average of .41 throws on himself every hole!

Simon's 14 under was 5 better than expected for him, while Ricky's 14 under was 7 better than he would have expected.

The biggest thing I got out of it was this:

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I had not realized how badly Paige Bjerkaas had fallen off the pace as the tournament progressed. I knew she was way behind, but not that she faded and kept on fading.

 

[Steve West]

The biggest thing I got out of it was this:

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I had not realized how badly Paige Bjerkaas had fallen off the pace as the tournament progressed. I knew she was way behind, but not that she faded and kept on fading.

And not just...

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...off the pace, but off her pace. Twenty throws worse than her rating would indicate.

 

[Arisugawa]

Plenty of people on the amateur side.

I think a few players have won Masters Worlds in their first effort there as well. Not the same thing as winning either Open division in one's first attempt, obviously, but there has definitely been some Amateur and Pro Masters winners who won in their first try.