Making your shoulder lever longer

[RoDeO]

You have a habit of using words in a way that I literally cannot parse, so clarify this. In your sentence above, what do you mean by 'things'?

This post speaks of a longer lever. You have the lever which is the front arm or one that holds the disc. Then you have the basic fulcrum which is the spine area. On the opposite side of the lever you have the counter or balance weight which is the other arm and other side of the body. Thus you have the lever or "arm" which pivots on the fulcrum or spinal area and then you have the counter or balance weight of the off trailing arm and other body mass on that side of the body that moves in the opposite direction. This lever and counter weight when put in motion around the fulcrum is what allows you to generate torque and expel the disc.

 

[bsammons]

This post speaks of a longer lever. You have the lever which is the front arm or one that holds the disc. Then you have the basic fulcrum which is the spine area. On the opposite side of the lever you have the counter or balance weight which is the other arm and other side of the body. Thus you have the lever or "arm" which pivots on the fulcrum or spinal area and then you have the counter or balance weight of the off trailing arm and other body mass on that side of the body that moves in the opposite direction. This lever and counter weight when put in motion around the fulcrum is what allows you to generate torque and expel the disc.

That simply is not true about the trail side of the fulcrum.

Until you know what the brace does you won't understand the fulcrum point.

Read through the pages of explanations we wrote trying to show you what the brace does, and then reread it to soak it all in.

Until then, you'll never truly understand the fulcrum point and the well of power a proper brace brings.

 

[RowingBoats]

This post speaks of a longer lever. You have the lever which is the front arm or one that holds the disc. Then you have the basic fulcrum which is the spine area. On the opposite side of the lever you have the counter or balance weight which is the other arm and other side of the body. Thus you have the lever or "arm" which pivots on the fulcrum or spinal area and then you have the counter or balance weight of the off trailing arm and other body mass on that side of the body that moves in the opposite direction. This lever and counter weight when put in motion around the fulcrum is what allows you to generate torque and expel the disc.

This is just way off base. I can make the spine the axis of rotation like you are describing with neutral footing and swinging my arms. Try it. Then tell me what you have to do from that position to transfer to a lead leg and brace.

 

[RoDeO]

That simply is not true about the trail side of the fulcrum.

Until you know what the brace does you won't understand the fulcrum point.

Read through the pages of explanations we wrote trying to show you what the brace does, and then reread it to soak it all in.

Until then, you'll never truly understand the fulcrum point and the well of power a proper brace brings.

There are indeed lots of levers and fulcrums at play in the disc golf throw. I am merely pointing out the fact that the length of the arm lever/levers, from which it/they pivot around, is only as long as the distance from its point of pivot of rotation to the end which is the fingers. It's point of pivot is the spine. So, the length of the arm lever/levers rotation is from the center of the back to the end of the fingers.

 

[RowingBoats]

There are indeed lots of levers and fulcrums at play in the disc golf throw. I am merely pointing out the fact that the length of the arm lever/levers, from which it/they pivot around, is only as long as the distance from its point of pivot of rotation to the end which is the fingers. It's point of pivot is the spine. So, the length of the arm lever/levers rotation is from the center of the back to the end of the fingers.

You understand that stick figures are not an anatomically correct representation of biology, right?

 

[RoDeO]

You understand that stick figures are not an anatomically correct representation of biology, right?

Pretty simple- in the disc golf throw your torso and shoulders rotate in order to throw the disc. Looking from above, where is the center point of rotation?

 

[bsammons]

Pretty simple- in the disc golf throw your torso and shoulders rotate in order to throw the disc. Looking from above, where is the center point of rotation?

Alright well. Since you're not open to other ideas I guess I'm wasting my time. Enjoy your hours and hours poured into wearing out your body and training your poor form, and I'll enjoy being a student of the game and truth.

 

[RowingBoats]

Pretty simple- in the disc golf throw your torso and shoulders rotate in order to throw the disc. Looking from above, where is the center point of rotation?

Do you think my argument is that the spine does not rotate and that the back-hand temporarily discombobulates human anatomy to make this possible?

Stand on one leg, make your arms into little airplane wings, and extend the other leg straight back like when you do a jumping jack. If someone spun you in this position, or if you have the balance to do it yourself, what is the axis? Is your spine still rotating? This is not a position in the swing, I am simply trying to confirm that you understand the concept of an axis.

 

[RoDeO]

Do you think my argument is that the spine does not rotate and that the back-hand temporarily discombobulates human anatomy to make this possible?

Stand on one leg, make your arms into little airplane wings, and extend the other leg straight back like when you do a jumping jack. If someone spun you in this position, or if you have the balance to do it yourself, what is the axis? Is your spine still rotating? This is not a position in the swing, I am simply trying to confirm that you understand the concept of an axis.

I'm not sure I can picture what you are asking.

The whole body, especially the torso and shoulders, rotate as seen from directly above or below the person. Rotation mean one side is goung one direction towards the target and the other side is moving away from the target. In the center of those motions is the "axis". That axis as seen from above is the spine.

 

[RoDeO]

Alright well. Since you're not open to other ideas I guess I'm wasting my time. Enjoy your hours and hours poured into wearing out your body and training your poor form, and I'll enjoy being a student of the game and truth.

Whatever...

 

[Jangle Chains]

Pretty simple- in the disc golf throw your torso and shoulders rotate in order to throw the disc. Looking from above, where is the center point of rotation?

( Note: this is not a disc golf stance )

Stand on a hardwood floor in your socks (stocking feet as they say) balance on the balls of your right foot as you tilt or lean your torso and head forward in the sagittal plane. Focus your eyes on the floor about 12-18 inches in front of your right foot. Extend your right arm straight out in front of you while you keep you left arm tight to your body. With your left foot kick yourself into a spin and then lift your left lower leg (tibia/fibia) at the knee to a 45 degree angle to counter balance.

Where is your center of mass? Where is your axis of rotation?

Hint: it's not your spine.

 

[RoDeO]

( Note: this is not a disc golf stance )

Stand on a hardwood floor in your socks (stocking feet as they say) balance on the balls of your right foot as you tilt or lean your torso and head forward in the sagittal plane. Focus your eyes on the floor about 12-18 inches in front of your right foot. Extend your right arm straight out in front of you while you keep you left arm tight to your body. With your left foot kick yourself into a spin and then lift your left lower leg (tibia/fibia) at the knee to a 45 degree angle to counter balance.

Where is your center of mass? Where is your axis of rotation?

Hint: it's not your spine.

The axis is somewhere centered over the foot and extending upwards.

 

[Discette]

The pivot or center of rotation is around the spine. We can only elongate the lever by getting more full extension on the disc out in front at release. The pivot never changes though, it is always centered around the spine.

Pure Rodeo Trolling Action here! Necro bumping an older technique thread just to take a sh#$%t on the good advice that was given here. Please stop f(*&%$$#ing up every technique thread with your BS advice.Please keep your comments onto threads you have started and leave the rest of the technique threads alone.


This thread is now a "Rodeo Free Zone!"

 

[RoDeO]

Pure Rodeo Trolling Action here! Necro bumping an older technique thread just to take a sh#$%t on the good advice that was given here. Please stop f(*&%$$#ing up every technique thread with your BS advice.Please keep your comments onto threads you have started and leave the rest of the technique threads alone.


This thread is now a "Rodeo Free Zone!"

Not going to appease your trolling. Good day.

 

[seedlings]

The disc golf swing primarily rotates around the lead hip joint. Take away the lead hip and there is zero power. A throw balanced on both feet can be accurate, but not powerful. Similarly, the main pivot point of a trebuchet is the hinge of the large beam. One side of the hinge is a super short lever and counterweight. Other side of the hinge is the long section of beam and the sling.

Golf swing, the main pivot is the lead hip socket. One side is the counterweight consisting of the rear hip, rear leg, and rear arm. Other side of the pivot hip is the spine, lead shoulder, arm, which is the sling. Stay with me.

But get this- the reach back puts torsion between the shoulders and the hips via the spine and back muscles. The distance from lead hip to the spine is the small lever that brings all that torsion around. When ONLY torsion of the spine is used, the small lever (lead hip to spine) is removed along with power.

 

[RoDeO]

The disc golf swing primarily rotates around the lead hip joint. Take away the lead hip and there is zero power. A throw balanced on both feet can be accurate, but not powerful. Similarly, the main pivot point of a trebuchet is the hinge of the large beam. One side of the hinge is a super short lever and counterweight. Other side of the hinge is the long section of beam and the sling.

Golf swing, the main pivot is the lead hip socket. One side is the counterweight consisting of the rear hip, rear leg, and rear arm. Other side of the pivot hip is the spine, lead shoulder, arm, which is the sling. Stay with me.

But get this- the reach back puts torsion between the shoulders and the hips via the spine and back muscles. The distance from lead hip to the spine is the small lever that brings all that torsion around. When ONLY torsion of the spine is used, the small lever (lead hip to spine) is removed along with power.

Are you speaking of preload hip to shoulder separation in the reachback?

 

[mojorooks]

Gilbert's head serves as the center of rotation.

So all I have to do to throw really far is to get my head to spin around. So demon possession is key to great distance.

 

[mojorooks]

Sorry RoDeO, I have a hard time taking you seriously.

I appreciate your intent but your lack of knowledge really inhibits your ability to properly analyze form.

 

[RoDeO]

So all I have to do to throw really far is to get my head to spin around. So demon possession is key to great distance.

Im speaking of the center of rotation in the upper body. The arm levers pivot around the axis of the spine area.

 

[sidewinder22]